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selinz
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re: Update: Dragon docked to space station
selinz   5/31/2012 6:02:02 AM
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I regret that someone is using the acronym of a great american company to defame americans.

ibm221
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ibm221   5/31/2012 4:44:28 AM
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(CBS News) When the last space shuttle took off from the Kennedy Space Center in Florida in July -- when the crowds left and 7,000 space center workers lost their jobs -- what happened to Brevard County, Florida? Scott Pelley tells the story of a county struggling with the loss of its largest employer, and of former shuttle workers who miss both the paycheck and the deep pride they had in their work. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18560_162-57407288/high-joblessness-in-the-home-of-u.s-space-flight/

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ibm221   5/31/2012 4:38:37 AM
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If they knew after this 1 or 2 project they ll end up in the streets who would invest in a college degree in space ? One word, they are betrayed and cheated.

ibm221
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ibm221   5/31/2012 4:35:51 AM
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@bert, you sounds like a cold blooded capitalist. yeah right, you people are the winner, less tax dollar for space transportation. have you ever think about the thousands of poor NASA employees, who invested their education, youth, into this 'national honor' or whatever. Now in their 40s, 50s they got laid off. where you expect them to go? in a garage to fix you people's cars?

Bert22306
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Bert22306   5/31/2012 12:50:56 AM
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You continue to miss the point. It is the US people that own the IP of NASA, get it? SpaceX is going beyond what NASA had done, by creating a self-guided reusable craft. However the NASA IP is ours. The government here is not above us, it IS us. When a government agency lays people off, ideally the private company that takes over that task will hire at least some of these, so it can start operating fast. And yes, because the goal is to reduce costs, it would be strange if everyone layed off from NASA would find work at SpaceX. This country is not a socialist state. The government is not supposed to provide employment in general, but only for those tasks that legitimately belong to the government. We own the government, and we tell them what tasks they can fund with our taxes. The biggest problem is only if SpaceX divulges its IP to China or other places, which would then potentially export those jobs and that talent. But once again, it is up to us, the people, to TELL the government whether we want strict export controls on this stuff. That's how it works in a democracy.

ibm221
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ibm221   5/31/2012 12:33:03 AM
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Today (July 22), NASA is expected to begin issuing layoff notices to about 3,200 contractors, agency officials have said. http://www.space.com/12391-space-shuttle-program-nasa-workers-layoffs.html If NASA is a private corp, they will hold all IP and sell their own rockets and keep their employee. but now they give out IP and layoff their employee, isn't these ugly?

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ibm221   5/31/2012 12:28:37 AM
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LoL, all these reaction are expected. I think you all are just being fooled by your politicians, again. it always cost more to r&d the 1st new product, you know why indian generic drug are so much cheaper than US? r&d cost !!! what obama did is steal the IP from hard working NASA folks and hand over it free to Musk. Now guess what will happen next... layoff .. thousands of NASA employee who has labored their life for this. It's just like someone steal the IP from Pfizer and give it to someone else to offer you cheap viagra. Is this what you all excited about?

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ReneCardenas   5/30/2012 8:15:23 PM
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George, thanks for the update, this is awesome stuff and thanks for your effort. It is very much appreciated. And a word to: ibm221, You have chosen to make a fool of yourself by making uninformed comments that have little room in this forum. I just hope that you are a pretender or wanna be IBMer. As an ex-IBMer, I find your words of poor taste and little value.

C VanDorne
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C VanDorne   5/29/2012 1:22:35 PM
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ibm221: I have expressed many disagreements with Mr. Leopold's opinions but on this one I stand with him. Besides, if it is "pathetic" that you are looking for, how about your English?

george.leopold
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george.leopold   5/28/2012 3:53:31 PM
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ibm221: We suggest you inform yourself before launching your next personal attack. Start here: http://www.airspacemag.com/space-exploration/Visionary-Launchers-Employees.html SpaceX is not pushing the state of the art. What it is doing is attempting to reduce launch costs. As we have stated, $10K/pound using the shuttle is unsustainable. SpaceX is aiming for $1K/pound. Maybe they'll make, maybe they won't, but the focus of the U.S. commercial space effort is to move from gold-plated spacecraft to safe, reliable spacecraft that don't cost a fortune. We fail to see what is "pathetic" about that.

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