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re: Four reasons why its 'game over' for foreign chip firms in China
KB3001   6/8/2012 8:19:43 AM
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Even if we accept what you say about Tibet WaveMan (which I do not by the way) at least China has had problems with its immediate "neighbours" not countries halfway around the globe. Look at how China is behaving in Africa for instance and you will see that they are going about it in a different way. Soft power is way more productive in the long term.

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KB3001   6/8/2012 8:08:30 AM
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"The Chinese DEVOUR anything that moves and the whole world is at risk of being EATEN ALIVE by the Chinese hordes. For the world to maintain its sanity the Chinese MONSTERs must be put back into their bottle and corked / quarantined." This is clear Xenophobia, Chipmonk, not to say something else. It's a dangerous rhetoric, which can lead to catastrophies if adopted at the wider scale.

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KB3001   6/8/2012 8:00:37 AM
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It was to show you that there are two sides to this argument, Chipmonk, and that it's not a straight Good vs. Evil issue. I hate these oversimplifications. China's rise is a challenge to the West, it goes without saying, but to portray it as Good vs. Evil, advocate a technological embargo including visiting students!, and link this whole issue to world politics e.g. recent UN deliberations, is way over the top and quite dangerous in my opinion. I do not see life as a zero-sum game unlike you, and I am certainly not taking sides. I would happily criticise the Chinese Government (or even people) on other occasions, but not on this one, because it's not right.

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chipmonk0   6/8/2012 4:46:38 AM
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The Dalai Lama and the Tibetans may have something against your interpretation of Chinese claims over Tibet. In 1950 during the Korean War the Chinese PLA invaded and occupied Tibet simply because of its strategic location and used some typically Chinese BIG LIES and trumped up historical claims to justify it. First they vandalized the Buddhist monasteries of Tibet and then stripped all the accumulated gold and jeweleries. Then they brought in 3 million Han Chinese settlers to overwhelm the native Tibetans. And now they won't let go of Tibet after discovering all the gold, uranium and rare earth metals ( Li,.. ) in the high altitude dry lake beds of Tibet. The Chinese DEVOUR anything that moves and the whole world is at risk of being EATEN ALIVE by the Chinese hordes. For the world to maintain its sanity the Chinese MONSTERs must be put back into their bottle and corked / quarantined.

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chipmonk0   6/8/2012 4:25:02 AM
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you sound like one of those Third worlders ( Middle East ? ) with a chip on his shoulder about the West who would gladly become a Trojan Horse to let China get in through the back door.

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ibm221   6/8/2012 1:43:40 AM
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communism would have some risk though. If your luck sucks you might end up like N Korea.

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liverdonor   6/8/2012 12:34:55 AM
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China has had an active role in Tibetan government since at least the 1300s and possibly before. It's more like, if South Carolina decided to declare itself independent - what would the rest of the US do? Probably shut them down. Korea? Please. Korean people recognize their mutual "Han-ness" with China. Political and cultural differences, yes - but there's always been some ties there. Taiwan? The Japanese invaded Taiwan first, then the Chinese came later, after WWII ended. Essentially, the Kuomintang government that calls itself "Republic" of China is an invading government - just ask the native Taiwanese. Actually, the only real "invasion" in this list is Vietnam - in the 1500s China attempted to conquer Vietnam and had _exactly_ the same experience that the French and later the Americans would have. Guerilla war went on forever and they eventually withdrew when it became obvious that it was a losing proposition. Just to set the record straight. BTW - The only reason the Chinese PRC govt. declared martial law in Tibet in 1959 was in response to US CIA-backed coup that failed.

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old account Frank Eory   6/7/2012 11:54:57 PM
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Why would that be game over? You think Beijing would want to give up all that business? Look at Hong Kong. Beijing did not foolishly kill the golden goose.

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WaveMan0   6/7/2012 11:51:59 PM
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"As far as I know, China has not invaded any country..." How about Tibet in 1959?! Ever heard of that country? Yes, it's very popular these days to look at the U.S. as the biggest and baddest aggressor nation. China has had a long history of sparring with it's neighbors in Asia. Just ask a Korean, Vietnamese, Taiwanese...

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WaveMan0   6/7/2012 11:46:51 PM
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Chill out honey! No doubt China is on the rise and will mimic the likes of other Asian tigers, such as Japan and Korea. Problem is that China thinks they can dominate every market by sheer volume and size. The quality of electronics from China varies all over the map, just like apparel, heavy machinery, etc...I should know, I've worked with Chinese suppliers for years. Often here today, gone tomorrow. China often lacks the finesse and attention to details. They'll get there, but it takes time. It's apparent that China doesn't want to climb that ladder that can take decades, just like Japan did and later Korea.

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