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Mxv
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re: Four reasons why its 'game over' for foreign chip firms in China
Mxv   6/8/2012 3:22:16 PM
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Until they copy your design. Then "so long sucker!"

Mxv
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re: Four reasons why its 'game over' for foreign chip firms in China
Mxv   6/8/2012 3:21:07 PM
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The Japanese force the american companies out of the DRAM market in the 80s. The difference is that we control Japan thru 'defense' pacts so if there were any supply chain problems the State department or DoD could intervene. We do not control China. If they want to hold the world hostage for rare earths or ICs then there's nothing we can do. GAME OVER.

Mxv
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re: Four reasons why its 'game over' for foreign chip firms in China
Mxv   6/8/2012 3:17:47 PM
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Don't be so sure. I see a lot of Chinese immigrants working in Defense firms. Do you know that they have an open invitation to start companies in China with a $2M grant from the Chinese govt ? Basically encouraging IP theft.

sreenivas.vaddi
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re: Four reasons why its 'game over' for foreign chip firms in China
sreenivas.vaddi   6/8/2012 2:06:58 PM
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exactly my point.. did you not read "except IDMs" IDMs stand for Integrated Device manufacturers" those companies that have fabs/assembly/test only for their own products.. and those companies that work with 35% or less gross profit margins will not be rewarded by stock market and cannot reinvest on R&D unless they only have token presence in usa and have pretty much all the workforce elsewhere..

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re: Four reasons why its 'game over' for foreign chip firms in China
Etmax   6/8/2012 12:11:43 PM
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Actually I remember a time when Chinese products were well made, it was before the massive out sourcing to China. There was the odd thing and it was of good quality. Now the dodgy operators are in it to make a quick buck. China to a significant degree has been taught that price is more important than quality, Also they sanction back door sales of front door rejects. That is something the Japanese government stomped on. No doubt the Chinese will eventually too.

Etmax
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re: Four reasons why its 'game over' for foreign chip firms in China
Etmax   6/8/2012 12:07:51 PM
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I wish it were that simple. In electronics it's almost buy Chinese or nothing. :-(

CarmenMesta
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re: Four reasons why its 'game over' for foreign chip firms in China
CarmenMesta   6/8/2012 11:50:39 AM
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Companies that previously had a GOOD name, like HP for example, now sell stuff made in China that is horrible. Our company has a "NO HP" policy now because of the outrageous high rate of failures. And the support from HP has similarly degraded. Their "front line" of support is useless, and they charge a fortune even for products in warranty, always finding something that is not covered; adding high "shipping and handling" fees, etc.

CarmenMesta
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re: Four reasons why its 'game over' for foreign chip firms in China
CarmenMesta   6/8/2012 11:43:22 AM
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If you're so smart, why do you allow your government to continue the way it is?? The gov't of China is even worse than the U.S. gov't.....they make our current Congress look like honorable people of integrity by comparison. And our current Congress is HORRIBLE!!! But they're angels compared to the people in the Chinese government. I believe Mexico has less corruption than China!

CarmenMesta
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re: Four reasons why its 'game over' for foreign chip firms in China
CarmenMesta   6/8/2012 11:39:53 AM
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I don't trust any Chinese products. They pump out fake chips that have malware security holes built in, they steal user data, and they can be remotely deactivated. Similarly, some of the food products they ship here are poisoned. China is the #1 producer of gov't sponsored pirated products, too. I will gladly pay more for a product produced elsewhere. I will never buy anything made in China.

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re: Four reasons why its 'game over' for foreign chip firms in China
Peter Clarke   6/8/2012 10:50:37 AM
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I dont think it is that the engineers work 20 times harder....they simply want their suppliers to do more of the work..... So they tell their SOC provider to supply the complete platform including Bill of Materials, motherboad layout, recommendations for all chips....and firmware..while they focus on getting Angry Birds running

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