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re: Four reasons why its 'game over' for foreign chip firms in China
fabsurplus.com   6/19/2012 8:02:46 AM
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All I know about China is we sold an HF based wet etch system there to a government fab in 2005. The contract engineer rang us up to complain during the install that the fab had no PPE (Personal Protection Equipment) whatsoever for the engineers working on this HF chemistry based tool. I'm looking forwards to NOT working in any factory like that at any time in the next 20 years... Stephen Howe www.fabsurplus.com Contact us now to buy and sell used equipment and enjoy the benefits of cost-saving.

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re: Four reasons why its 'game over' for foreign chip firms in China
seaEE   6/16/2012 3:24:40 AM
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The only constant is change (well that and 3.14159 and 2.71828). Ten years from now Brazil might be the new manufacturing hub.

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re: Four reasons why its 'game over' for foreign chip firms in China
t.alex   6/16/2012 2:54:22 AM
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Wow, use kinder words pls.

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re: Four reasons why its 'game over' for foreign chip firms in China
resistion   6/15/2012 1:12:50 AM
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The points look reasonable, probably because if we applied the analysis in the US or other developed country, we'd expect similar results. Although the author, in order to criticize the one-child policy, appeared to favor many-child policy - that obviously doesn't work for other reasons.

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re: Four reasons why its 'game over' for foreign chip firms in China
Mxv   6/15/2012 12:20:56 AM
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typo: treating = threatening

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re: Four reasons why its 'game over' for foreign chip firms in China
Mxv   6/15/2012 12:17:19 AM
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Interesting reading: http://brontecapital.blogspot.com/2012/06/macroeconomics-of-chinese-kleptocracy.html

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re: Four reasons why its 'game over' for foreign chip firms in China
Mxv   6/15/2012 12:15:28 AM
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Many of the departed are trying to return to the US. Corruption and politics at ever level of society is a very real problem. You can't live a normal life in India/China with every Tom, Dick and Hari asking for a bribe or treating you for one. Sorry, whatever our faults here, bribery and corruption is hidden and doesn't affect us on a personal level.

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re: Four reasons why its 'game over' for foreign chip firms in China
phlei   6/14/2012 7:38:43 PM
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The issue is how did the Japan Inc transform into high quality? It is because the government policy to force them to follow. Which I don't see the Chinese government is taking that action? It took Japan ten years after the government launched the "quality program" in 1965. Another thing is Japan spent tons of money to do the deep researches and China mainly relies on the foreign technology transfers... That is the key differences, once the foreign companies are gone, so are the quality...

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re: Four reasons why its 'game over' for foreign chip firms in China
phlei   6/14/2012 7:35:17 PM
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I doubt the accuracy of that statement.. China makes nickle and dime on their products and only spends very little on the R&Ds.. US fabless design houses will spend around 15% of the revenues in the R&Ds because the net gross margin over 30%. The Taiwanese fabless design houses can only spend 5-7% of the revenues on the R&Ds. But China counter parts can only spend less than 3% of the total revenues on the R&Ds or even lower because the low net margins.. I know it the first hand because our fabless design house in Taiwan is competing with the China ones.

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re: Four reasons why its 'game over' for foreign chip firms in China
tideblue   6/14/2012 10:58:09 AM
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Some good points navelpluis. My 4 years working experience in Holland shows there are many Dutch guys who are really arrogant.They are great engineers but they know nothing of what happening outside Holland and has no vision for future.What happens at NXP is a good example.

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