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KB3001
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re: Four reasons why its 'game over' for foreign chip firms in China
KB3001   6/9/2012 5:23:05 PM
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I fully agree with you on this WaveMan. The Chinese are pursuing their self-interest in the same way as America, Britain etc. To vilify them because of this is wrong and I showed Chipmonk that the same tactic could be easily applied to the US/West. My point throughout was to say that there is no 100% Good and 100% Evil, that life ought not to be a zero-sum game, that there are always two sides to any argument. The way Chipmonk in particular described China and the Chinese in this thread is nothing short of Xenophobia and my conscience could not allow me to be silent.

Etmax
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re: Four reasons why its 'game over' for foreign chip firms in China
Etmax   6/9/2012 2:37:11 PM
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Interestingly Fiji is having issues with Chinese merchants along the lines of what India experienced in the days of English colonialism. We have to realise that any country will do what they think is best for them, it's simply human nature. The Chinese are not really any better or worse, than any other "colonial" ruler (for want of a better phrase) the difference is that now we are on the receiving end and have welcomed the situation with open arms. I'm not really a protectionism advocate, but free trade without consideration of national interests is asking for trouble (ie. the status quo) Merchants are worse than governments on this issue, because they are more greed driven and influence government.

WaveMan0
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re: Four reasons why its 'game over' for foreign chip firms in China
WaveMan0   6/9/2012 2:09:36 PM
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While not defending Western foreign policy in Africa, which at times did indeed support and prop-up brutal regimes (often to counter Soviet expansionism), let's please not delude ourselves into thinking China is in Africa out of altruism. They are there for the natural resources, plain and simple. When some of the mines no longer cede their natural wealth, the Chinese will be on the next place/country/region...

WaveMan0
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re: Four reasons why its 'game over' for foreign chip firms in China
WaveMan0   6/9/2012 1:50:38 PM
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My wife, who is originally from Seoul, Korea, would take issue with your statement about "mutual hanness." A ridiculous statement that is mostly incorrect. While some Koreans due share common blood with ethnic Han Chinese, the Koreans are generally ethnically distinct, probably more closely related to Manchurians and Mongolians. Even the Korean language is a Ural-Altaic language, completely distinct from let's say Mandarin Chinese spoke by the Han. I gather from your name BiBimNaenygMyun" that you are Korean? So, what's your point about "active role" since the 1300s? England has also had an active and colonizing role in Ireland for over six centuries, but many can make the good argument that it is still an occupying force, there only to protect ethnic English and Scots in the north of the country. Put down the CIA-behind-every-coup conspiracy books and take with a grain of salt the often radical so-called "alternative media" online.

KB3001
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re: Four reasons why its 'game over' for foreign chip firms in China
KB3001   6/9/2012 12:15:27 PM
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The short-term shareholder-driven value is also to blame dong2. In China, the Government is taking a long term view, and companies also often take some short term losses or diminished profits for long term prosperity. In many Western countries/companies, it's the here and now that counts. CEOs are prepared to do anything to increase their personal return in their short tenure and the hell with the rest afterwards.

I_B_GREEN
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re: Four reasons why its 'game over' for foreign chip firms in China
I_B_GREEN   6/9/2012 12:49:42 AM
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perhaps but your labor cost are going up at 30% year. how long will you have a clear advantage when slave wages are not the norm?

dong2
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re: Four reasons why its 'game over' for foreign chip firms in China
dong2   6/8/2012 11:32:27 PM
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add one more after reviewing some more non-technical comments: 4. If we still blame China this and blame China that but not effectively take right actions upon ourselves, don't we look more like a loser already?

ChipBuilder
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re: Four reasons why its 'game over' for foreign chip firms in China
ChipBuilder   6/8/2012 11:28:32 PM
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I read a book written by a US general who suprisingly said, it is a mistake to think that your people are better than any other people, people all have equal capacity. It is training, discipline and equipment that allows you to win. I know the families forced to kill their second girl fetus in China are comforted by their contribution to the greater good. Their govt has capacity for some serious evil, so allow me to be a little skeptical about their intent. @gaia: its good to see that China has idiots too.

dong2
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re: Four reasons why its 'game over' for foreign chip firms in China
dong2   6/8/2012 11:25:44 PM
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Unfortunately so many comments are not really reflecting the major idea in this article: 1. The success of Chinese semiconductor companies, especially this one, comes from fast adaption to market demand, agile product support. It's basics to any business but they can well execute them. 2. American companies' advantage lied in basic science research, technical innovation and combination of art and engineering. Maybe American companies still hold some technical advantages. As long as our could-be R&D investments are still wasted on world-wide wars, conflicts, or domestic political deadlocks, prison systems, we'll see more and more Chinese companies make the rules. 3. As a member of semiconductor company battling at Chinese market, I can tell you what this CEO said is totally true.

Simon7382
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re: Four reasons why its 'game over' for foreign chip firms in China
Simon7382   6/8/2012 11:01:09 PM
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Bob, what you say is correct, BUT you learn a LOT by copying. That is how the Japanese started and as the Taiwanese started after them. The Chinese have learned a LOT during the past decade (partly legally and partly illegally) and will climb the value chain as Japan and Taiwan did before them.

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