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the_floating_ gate
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re: EuroFab450 is an ambitious dream
the_floating_ gate   6/7/2012 4:58:22 AM
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OK Peter - I give you some real insight Once upon a time there was LRCX and NVLS. Intel wants 450mm - NVLS said no. SO Intel pushed some buttons - and in return LRCX will get some etch business from Intel. That's how it works in the real world. KLA already supplying 450 mm tools to Intel . You just way behind the curve

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Peter Clarke   6/7/2012 9:56:29 AM
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Unless you mean KLA is supplying 450-mm capable tools to Intel IN LEIXLIP I don't see how your statement has a lot of relevance to this article. I was trying to elaborate on whether there is an appetite for the cost of 450-mm wafer processing in Europe -- ever, and particularly by European-based companies. KLA supplying 450-mm tools to Intel in Oregon and Arizona would make it more likely that Intel MIGHT produce on 450-mm wafers in Europe, some day. Intel has been getting closer to the European Commission over the last five years. Spreading the 450-mm love around might be part of the cost of being a good European citizen.

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mifb   6/7/2012 12:28:52 PM
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I think the most interesting point in the article is that European managers and companies are not able to compete against Asian and US American companies in advanced electronic production and products, and that the result can allready be seen in the crisis of some European countries and the Euro. When you look at TV's, mobile phones and memory products as DRAM and NAND Flash, all production more or less disappeared from Europe (Nokia is still there at the moment, that's true for the moment). TV's are gone, Siemens gave up mobile development and production, Qimonda is gone, ST gave up all NAND activities, Infineon sold its wireless to intel, ... The question is what will be the basis for the European prosperity in the future when the European companies, countries and the EU commision does not see any value in the advanced electronic industry and does not show any activities to keep these sectors in Europe, as it was the case in the mentioned examples. This seems to be very different in countries like Abu Dhabi in form of ATIC which spend billions of dollars to form Global Foundries. For all this reasons I think there will be never a 450-mm Fab or even Foundry in Europe, because there are simply no capable managers nor European politicians.

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re: EuroFab450 is an ambitious dream
Peter Clarke   6/7/2012 2:00:45 PM
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Your points are well made. I am prepared to be corrected -- but I believe Nokia no longer has any manufacturing in Europe.

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re: EuroFab450 is an ambitious dream
Adele.Hars   6/8/2012 11:28:02 AM
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There's a lot of discussion of SOI in the report. In case anyone's wondering, ramping of SOI wafers (for FD-SOI, FinFETs, PD-SOI etc) at 450mm is on schedule for the industry ramp. See http://www.advancedsubstratenews.com/2011/09/ultra-thin-wafers-for-450mm-fd-soi-on-schedule/.

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_hm   6/9/2012 11:48:03 PM
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450mm Fab may be way to go for Europe. It will offer many future avenues to Europe's R and D. EU should support Intel to come with 450 fab in Europe.

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Peter Clarke   7/13/2012 12:49:06 PM
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STMicroelectronics, Infineon and others may disagree. They might like to see the European Union support them with upgrades of their older fabs for More-than-Moore production. So who should we support: U.S. companies Intel and GlobalFoundries that manufacture and create jobs in Europe..or European companies who manufacture overseas?



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