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Bert22306
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re: U.S., European manufacturers join forces to compete with China
Bert22306   6/28/2012 12:48:11 AM
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I agree with those who say that manufacturing in the US will need to be automated to a very large extent, if it is to be competitive with China. But there's another dimension to this. Apple uses Foxconn because it's cheap *and* they can quickly change the production line. This is because they are not very automated. So companies like Rockwell Automation should, and probably are, respond to this need. Robot machines that can quickly be reconfigured. As to US workers moving back into company dormitories close to the production line, and working 60 hour weeks, that would happen following a major collapse of the economy. What seems to be happening instead is the other way around. It's China that is changing, to be more in line with other developed countries. For sure, though, globalization will work to level the playing field internationally. Those on top are throttled back, hopefully without actually going backwards but who knows, and those on the bottom get to move up.

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ibm221   6/28/2012 12:30:19 AM
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US food price is acturally lower than china. what americans got to do is 'move back to downtown', just like 1920s americans, living in a flat close to factory, before cars were invented. travel by bus or bike... then this game will be fair again... otherwise your cost model just can't compete.

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DMcCunney   6/28/2012 12:05:21 AM
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If I were SMT, I'd feel the same. If what my customer wants is something I can profitably manufacture, I do so. If the customer needs larger volumes, I can serve as the contractor overseeing offshore production. The customer is happy because they only have to deal with me.

george.leopold
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george.leopold   6/27/2012 11:42:21 PM
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Escatec and SMT both understand that high-volume manufacturing will remain in Asia. In this case, Escatec's operation in Penang, Malaysia. As reported, SMT serves as another "gateway" for directing high-volume, low value-added work to Malaysia. SMT views this option as an asset.

Eric Verhulst_Altreonic
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Eric Verhulst_Altreonic   6/27/2012 11:31:43 PM
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The public sector with its high inefficiency and political decision making and resulting high taxes are the prime reason why the West is no longer competitive. The cost of living is high because everything includes 50 direct and indirect taxes.

DMcCunney
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DMcCunney   6/27/2012 11:30:00 PM
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Agreed, but how do you do that? The only way I see that happening is a total economic collapse, and that would be a "cure worse than the disease".

DMcCunney
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DMcCunney   6/27/2012 11:28:38 PM
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The Chinese are heading in that direction now. The main source of cheap manual labor has been peasants on the farms, for whom factory jobs are a step up, with better hours and working conditions, and much better pay. China is confronting the problems associated with rapid urban growth because of the migration from rural areas to get those jobs. But that pool appears to be beginning to dry up, and Chinese manufacturers must increasingly compete for workers, with corresponding rising wage scale and higher costs. There was a note here a while back about a big Chinese manufacturer that announced a full scale move to robotics in consequence. The problem with going all robotic is enormous up front costs. It might be hard to get a US manufacturer to make the investment unless they saw a really good opportunity in it, and I doubt they would see such opportunities in low margin commodity products.

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Chee Choy   6/27/2012 10:29:13 PM
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Lowering the cost of living in US to the extend that the cost of made in China products become uncompetitive is the only way.

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pixies   6/27/2012 9:41:25 PM
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Agree, if the west really want to compete with China Co. in manufacturing, the process has to be fully automated. It may bring the production lines back, but will not create jobs.

DMcCunney
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DMcCunney   6/27/2012 9:26:48 PM
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I see this as the converse of TI's move to do more product origination *in* China for products intended for the Chinese market. Time to market is critical, and the closer you are to your customer, the greater the advantage you have. Add that doing everything in China by Chinese vastly reduces the misunderstandings inherent in cross-cultural communications, and eases the problems of doing business there at all. The Chinese government will be far happier to see and approve you if you plan to do *everything* there, since "grow the economy" may be their number 1 priority. Time to market is critical here, too, and the closer to the customer you are, the better you have it. The cost advantages of doing manufacturing overseas come when you have huge volume commodity products where competition is on price and the low cost producer wins. The costs become low enough that it's cheaper to do it there and ship here. When volumes are smaller and the products are higher in the value chain, domestic manufacture becomes feasible, and you get the possibility of a customer being able to send an electronic ECO and see the change put into production the same day. (Not to mention the fact that you are communicating in the same language, and may even be in the same time zone.) You can also get what you make to your customers a lot faster. We aren't likely to see high volume consumer manufacturing in this country again unless it is almost entirely robotic. The trick is finding things to manufacture that can command a high enough price and carry a high enough margin to pay for the manual labor needed to make them.

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