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BobsView
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re: China speed vs. China quality
BobsView   6/28/2012 3:31:43 PM
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I never blame Chinese workers or companies for poor quality. I realize that it's usually the US based company that is pushing the sub-contracters for faster and cheaper products, which are the root cause of poor quality. I personally have found that products from Chinese companies, i.e. designed and built in China, usually exceed the quality of products that are "off-shored" by US companies. I love Junko's observation that, "we cherry-pick anecdotal evidence" to prove a point. Yes, we all do it. But US based companies will need to come to the realization that there is no "free lunch" in China. When you push workers to work long hours and slash costs to the bone, there is always a down side to quality. This is not an opinion; it's been proven in studies time and time again.

Mushroom in the dark
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re: China speed vs. China quality
Mushroom in the dark   6/28/2012 2:45:15 PM
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ibm221, you've said "you are paying 3rd rate contractor price and expecting 1st rate service, that won't happen." Unfortunately, this is already happening. You'd be surprised how many customers are doing this and how fierce competition is between mfg contractors. Your experience on the drill is a good example. I guess the point is that Good "ten-year-lifetime" products are a thing of the past, let's get over this once and for all. If we buy a product for cheap and it works for more than it's "warranty" then that's great. But to expect a product "in this day and age" to last our parents electronic gizmos....now that would be an anomaly.

Mushroom in the dark
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re: China speed vs. China quality
Mushroom in the dark   6/28/2012 2:30:54 PM
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maxmin I have to agree with your statement "What you pay is what you get". A lot of the customers right now technically pay the price of a "popcorn" but expect to get a "burger and fries" in return. China or any Far East Asian Manufacturing are not charity houses, like any industry, they have to churn out a decent profit. BUT these days, most customers turn the screws on VERY tight to the point that profit margins are VERY SLIM. This is were the problem lays and obviously will be the root of quality problems.

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re: China speed vs. China quality
JeffLiCES   6/28/2012 2:28:09 PM
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"cultural differences (as well as communication barriers). " In any cultures, THEFT and THUG are not supposed to be used to make a communication.

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re: China speed vs. China quality
ReneCardenas   6/28/2012 2:18:52 PM
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tthappy, Personal politics exist in all human enterprises, It is so different, almost night and day contrast, on how different we engineers approach the management pyramid.

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re: China speed vs. China quality
ReneCardenas   6/28/2012 2:05:19 PM
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Well said Gearhead, It is clear to me that JeffLices read your comments and took them to heart. There are many good changes in China, (personal income, education level, etc) but the examples you highlight are but a sample of end result of poor oversight from their government. Thieves and scoundrels exist in all countries, good morals and ethics are not exclusive to a single or few countries. Just a personal point of view.

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re: China speed vs. China quality
tthappy   6/28/2012 9:32:58 AM
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The management from chinese product manager with some problems. Working in china, the first thing is make good ralationship with your boss. Office politics are important tings.

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re: China speed vs. China quality
tthappy   6/28/2012 9:03:09 AM
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China produce low quality products. Major products are produced from china. The swtich power supply and ipad, iphone are from china. I am power engineer working in emerson network power and foxconn technology group for years. Chinese are hard working native.

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Siva.Uppalapati_0623   6/28/2012 7:11:48 AM
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"Until China recognizes theft as theft, and deals with criminals accordingly, the rest of the world will continue to view China with a jaundiced eye." Were the West or European countries( who built their wealth and industrialized), have done it with "scruples" ? Does the rest of world view them with a "jaundiced eye" ?

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re: China speed vs. China quality
daleste   6/28/2012 3:16:39 AM
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Made in China is still a bad name. Most electronic devices are made in China now. For the most part, the quality is good. It depends on the company that is controling the production to know if the quaility is there.

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