One can graduate with all the skills one wants. The next claim out of the mouths of HR is, "not enough experience." Apparently both are desired. "Skills gap" is a red herring. Or a "purple squirrel." :-)
The two-year degree SHOULD be enough for a lot of current positions. MANY positions posted that require a BSEE really do not. Fundamentally, they are not engineering jobs! Many companies appear to want to hire an engineer, and to have a degreed engineer in a particular slot, for a job that is semi-technical at best. Why? If an engineer were hired for that slot, they would leave ASAP for something that WAS engineering... This seems short-sighted at best, and purposefully mis-specified at worst...
Charles has it right. I got an AS from the local CC and worked as a technician for several years building up my cash reserves so I could take additional courses, etc.. The preponderance of my exposure to the majority of BS & MS educated EE's (from major Universities), was disappointing - especially when they asked very basic questions about biasing transistors and the basic configurations of said circuits.
The 2 years spent at the CC were intense, the courses concentrated and directed to understanding electronics, both in practice and theory. My experience has shown that the BS educated engineers get the most general education whilst the CC guys are much more focused. Any specific knowledge comes from the job, as each company has different needs and etc.
Yes, they can! A two years (Associates Degree) will make you become technicians. I work at one of the largest community colleges in Texas. As a matter of fact, many of the top colleges seek community college graduates because they not only have a skill, but are likely to graduate if they continue their education at a four year college. Why? Because a large percentage of students coming out of high school are not prepared for college. That is not a statement; that is a fact. Check the four year colleges report and you will notice that a large percentage of the students are enrolled in remedial education courses. Yes, community doing their part and more. Thanks for writing an article about community colleges.
That's too bad. I consider my two years at MCC to be the best education I got. Yes, I was preparing for a university education so the material was general and probably wouldn't have helped much getting me employed if I had left for the workforce. But the professors were friendly, knowledgeable, accessible and spoke English; the class scheduling was flexible; and the cost was not out of control. I consider my two years there to be the foundation of my analytical thinking skills and the best deal I got.
And although the next stop bought me a ticket on the train I am currently riding, I can't speak so well of it. As such I'd love to see more relevance from CCs. Just think of the money students would save.
As for when corporate America will do their part...I just don't see it happening until MANY if not ALL of the job killing, economy stalling policies of the past three years are reversed, repealed or replaced. That especially includes the one most recently vindicated by turn-coat Roberts). Even then maybe waiting for corporate America isn't the answer. Maybe a ton of small business and start-ups need to emerge. But once again, for that to happen the same thing sited above needs to happen starting this November.
I doubt that many of them can just stop at 2 years (Associates Degree) and become technicians.
No offense to community colleges -- I know several bright young people who got good educations there. It's just that employers don't seem to put any value on that degree. As Duane said below, how many job postings do you see that require only a 2-year degree?
since when has employer become responsible for hiring who-so-ever the community colleges graduated ? I dam yet to see any 'highly skilled' candidates coming out of community colleges in the valley, or should I said I have seen none ?
however, I have seen many young men/women using community colleges as springboard to public universities, and became 'skilled'. May be the Community colleges should simply reduce themselves to 'university prep-college' ? Or they should simply copy the Germany vocational school system and rid themselves the embarrassment of not knowing what to do ? if Germany is too far, the system in Canada is also a good source to copy from.
the community college systems, at least that in California, is a complete flop and waste of limited public education resources.
I don't see a lot of offerings that specify a two year degree as a qualifying credential. That's too bad because it does seem like some of the two year programs can turn out highly skilled potential employees. It's not the same as a quality four year degree, but it can still provide a good skills set.
With so many experienced and credentialed developers looking for work, a quality two year degree likely won't even get you in the door, let alone hired.
We'll try to find out how many two years students in the California system become four-year students. The "stackable credentials" approach is designed so that two-year students have the credentials to get a job that match their skills. A certain percentage most certainly continue in school.
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