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krisi   7/24/2012 2:01:21 PM
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"European report considers 450-mm More-than-Moore fab"??? This makes no sense at all. More Moore requires 450-mm, perhaps. More-than-Moore clearly can be done on 300-mm wafers, if not on 200-mm, it is not the size of the wafer that matter here! Kris

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Peter Clarke   7/20/2012 4:22:39 PM
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Peter Clarke   7/20/2012 4:16:18 PM
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I can't speak to any anti-IMEC sentiment in Europe but it is something that Mike Bryant referenced.

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jandecaluwe   7/17/2012 8:31:25 PM
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Regardless of who is "right", I have one pertinent question: Why should the Flemish taxpayer subsidize 450mm R&D at Imec, as they are doing, when no European semiconductor company is interested in this? It makes no sense. In Flanders, the government seems to think that innovation has been accomplished as soon as the subsidies are distributed (preferably to Imec). The world must think that we are either too rich or crazy. If Intel, TSMC or Samsung wants it, let them pay. ASML is showing the wise way.

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Nando Basile   7/17/2012 1:53:34 PM
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''...STMicroelectronics has been pressing for money from the European Union to help it upgrade 200-mm wafer fabs so that they can make chips on 300-mm diameter wafers, Bryant said...'' As an employee of STM, I find it surprising. Can anyone address me to the sources for such a statement ? Second, looking at the original report, again issued by Mr. Bryant's firm, "European report considers 450-mm More-than-Moore fab", I used to consider 450mm associated to More-Moore, rather than More-than-Moore. Too simplistic? Could anybody show me already a fully 300mm More-than-Moore, loaded fab, to start with? In my (little) knowledge, TI is the only declared owner of a 300mm ''analog'' fab, supposed closer to my personal definition of a wannabe More-than-Moore fab. Third, any article depicting any strategic choice as fruit of some 'sentiment' against someone else may be perceived as the result of the 'sentiment' of the writer vs. those that don't share his/her own vision. Bringing the debate to the realm of personal opinions is not what people would expect from an accounted consulting company. Fourth: ASML business is founded on More-Moore, and 450nm fabs are a part of it. IMEC, whose dutch labs are at less than 15 min car drive from ASML HQ, has historically leveraged on its proximity with the litho giant. May anyone infer that interests for ASML and for IMEC may be somewhat entangled? The bigger customers for ASML are INTEL, SAMSUNG or TSMC, just to name a few, so european manufacturers may just wish to stay more focused on actual More-than-Moore (like MEMS) opportunities rather than venture in astronomical efforts for below 22nm technologies. ST or Infineon don't have enormous asset in 300mm, why should they invest now in 450? This is my (simplistic) Present Vision. For Future Visions, Mr. Bryant will take care.

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Austin Tech Watcher   7/17/2012 1:30:49 PM
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Could you explain further what you (and Mr. Bryant) refer to as anti-IMEC sentiment?

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walken1   7/16/2012 8:20:41 PM
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"Regrettably STMicroelectronics, NXP and Infineon are now no longer tier-1 companies" What a short-sighted statement. All 3 companies are tier-1 companies - in MEMS. Just because they may not be at the bleeding-edge of memory or logic manufacturing doesn't mean that they aren't leaders. The semiconductor industry has evolved - it's more than just about memory and logic these days.

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Peter Clarke   7/16/2012 3:35:31 PM
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that should say "buy" not "by"

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Peter Clarke   7/16/2012 3:15:31 PM
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Intel has reportedly said it will ONLY by 450-mm equipment from companies that are engaged with Global 450 Consortium and putting equipment into Albany for trial. I would expect companies such as Tokyo Electron to be engaged.

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_hm   7/16/2012 12:01:58 AM
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Is Japan also working on this 450mm technology? Are they part of G450C group?

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