The sales figures are bad for most folk, and the banking news/ethics are not improving either. To blame any president, or for analysts to expect better returns during the present downturn, is the madness we live in. People are not spending as clownsumers like they did in the past, so it stands to reason that consumer products and high price ticket items like cars will take a dive as people scramble for cover. I'll keep the car for another year, same for the phones and PCs etc. However, I will stockpile a little red wine as long as the price does not spike. At least that keeps its value and brings pleasure! I do feel for those loosing their livelihoods, as it does not look like they will ever return. The youngsters might think twice about getting into this cyclical industry with such massive retrenchments with little shelter in bad times.