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re: Jury foreman in Apple vs. Samsung had 'light bulb moment'
tb1   8/30/2012 8:59:20 PM
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I think things need to be put in proper perspective. In hindsight -everything- is obvious. Let's go back to the time before the iPhone: The most popular business phone, by far, was the Blackberry. Why? Because it made email easy. Easy compared to what? To every other phone on the market. On these other phones it was so difficult, often involving scrolling through windows using cursor buttons, that most people didn't bother. Using the internet on Blackberries and other 'smart' phones was also easier than it had been in the past, but couldn't have been so great, because these phones were not having much impact on the Internet backbone. Then the iPhone came out. [cue dramatic music] (just kidding)] I didn't happen to notice what was written on the impact on AT&T's networks in the US, but I read a few articles about what happened when the iPhone was introduced in England. The network operators were completely unprepared for the onslaught of data on their networks. Clearly, the iPhone was a completely different beast than -any- other phone on their networks and they had to completely rebuild parts of it just to handle -this- phone. What was different? Using the Internet was ridiculously easy, compared to other phones where it was so ridiculously hard that most people didn't even bother. A lot of it was the easy touch interface, including the 'pinch to zoom' and other multitouch features (as I mentioned above, invented by a company that Apple bought long before Jeff Han did his TED talk). You can make any argument about the phones you want, but the proof is in the data going across the network. The iPhone was groundbreaking.

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dthayden   8/30/2012 2:47:56 PM
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Quite ironic for an event celebrating peak health and physical ability.

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re: Jury foreman in Apple vs. Samsung had 'light bulb moment'
Steve5678   8/30/2012 2:23:50 PM
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Many of the comments here seem to revolve around the issue that the jury foreman brought his own expertise to bear in rendering a verdict, and whether that constitutes a basis for an appeal. In all trials, the case is supposed to be decided based on the evidence presented in the courtroom. For instance, say a trial's outcome relies on the color of the sky. If an expert witness for one side states that, in his expert opinion, the sky is red, and that sworn testimony is not refuted by another expert witness from the opposing side, then the jury cannot use their innate knowledge of the color of the sky to render a verdict.

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re: Jury foreman in Apple vs. Samsung had 'light bulb moment'
elektryk321   8/30/2012 1:58:04 PM
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Verdict is just controversial, but article does not describe why the jury foreman decided. The whole explanation about the personal history and "light bulb" feeling is not enought.

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Michael.Shannahan   8/30/2012 10:26:13 AM
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After barely scraping by for several years, I finally have a patent pending (utility). I chose to patent because I'm a good engineer, yet my competitors are very good at manufacturing; they would have eventually got ahold of one of my cool products and saturated the market with a knock-off long before I could get it scaled up in production. The lifecycle for my product is typically 10 years, and I'll need at least that long to pay off debts and recoup the opportunity costs of doing a moon-shot for years at my kitchen table, with no day job. Without a temporary monopoly of a patent, there is no incentive to put in the work. As to those who are calling to reform the patent system, the largest reform in 80 years begins September 2012, the America Invents Act. We change to a first-to-file system in March 2013. While there is a new review process to challenge patents more easily, and the USPTO remains fully funded by assignee fees, the consensus is that big companies and universities will file many pore patents and the small inventor will be swamped by prior art and often beaten in the race to file.

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outlier   8/30/2012 3:17:56 AM
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First of all I agree all IP needs to be protected. There are good patents and bad patents. The quality of patents is determined by how they are written and how the claims are structures. - BIG money buys better lawyers In patent litigation cases such as this, the team of lawyers also drives how well you can fight it. The jury in the US and down the street from Apple will almost certainly root for Apple (why ?, because apple is a brand that has been built well). Apple is good at refining and bringing to markets things that have previously existed. They are an excellent industrial design house... technology after the 90s they have not done anything earth shattering. Plus, Samsung made strategic mistakes... big companies put patents in re-exam and then endlessly stay the case while the patent is being re-examined. It is called interference where you can put together prior art (valid or invalid) to tie up question the viability of the patent. Round 1 to Apple.

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rwik78   8/30/2012 12:20:50 AM
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Duane, in legal parlance, there is something called "benefit of doubt" If you are in doubt, you give the defender that benefit.

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pixies   8/29/2012 9:43:58 PM
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I guess it is to test if the design is obvious to the "person of ordinary skill in the art".

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re: Jury foreman in Apple vs. Samsung had 'light bulb moment'
Duane Benson   8/29/2012 7:55:10 PM
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Design patents can be used to protect items that are clearly differentiated from anything else (an obvious statement if there ever was one), but when the differences get subtle, I can see them getting really messy. I certainly don't have access to the evidence given in the trial, but I don't think it would be terribly difficult to make the case that every phone, tablet, laptop and desktop are essentially copies of each other that would infringe all over the place. Conversely, I don't think it would be terribly difficult to make the case that all of these devices are different enough from each other as to not infringe. I bet that if you picked ten different juries, you'd get ten radically different answers.

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re: Jury foreman in Apple vs. Samsung had 'light bulb moment'
tb1   8/29/2012 7:22:25 PM
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Actually, Jeff Han is not the father of these multitouch devices. There was a company, Fingerworks, that did a lot of this multitouch work and patented it and even came out with some products well before Jeff Han's work. Guess what? Apple bought the company in 2005. On the other hand, there were people working on multitouch even before Fingerworks. I don't know if they patented it or not.

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