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lee.t
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lee.t   9/20/2012 2:02:22 PM
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I am so confident that they will get it right the first time, and not have any yield issues, or nonsense with models, or anything else that could possibly go wrong. ;)

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askubel   9/20/2012 4:33:15 PM
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You're a little more optimistic than me. I think they're overconfident given that 14nm is the first node they'll use FinFETs at, along with the fact they haven't begun any kind of volume with 20nm (even 28nm is fresh out the door). But we'll see. If Globalfoundries pulls this off they'll be in a strong position.

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Paul1960   9/20/2012 8:53:25 PM
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askubel, look up "irony" then read lee.t's comment again...

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askubel   9/20/2012 10:10:51 PM
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Note my careful use of comparatives in the first sentence :)

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Kresearch   9/20/2012 10:19:41 PM
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Hope it won't be marketing chant again. Go Globalfoundries.

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mcgrathdylan   9/20/2012 10:38:32 PM
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I think you have to give GF credit for boldness. As the comments above allude to, they had their share of yield issues at 32-nm. The GF executives I spoke with said they wanted to wait until the process design kit was available to make the announcement. To G. Dan Hutcheson of VLSI Research, the fact that the process design kit is available is the key to the announcement.

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SKYHAWK   9/21/2012 12:42:40 AM
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this is to keep AMD from bolting to rival TSMC, so the CEO can keep his job awhile longer.

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m00nshine   9/21/2012 1:43:00 AM
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Reminds me of bold claim from TSMC about 450mm and ASML about EUV. Easy to make the bold claim, hard to actually do like that. I am a skeptic, but interested to watch this one.

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Kresearch   9/21/2012 4:18:04 AM
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EUV is dying. Triple patterning seems economically dead. 14nm will be very challenging without litho breakthrough. Bravo Foundry guys.

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motti2   9/21/2012 1:05:47 PM
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EUV little comprehended has found a breakthrough high average energy source ( ~100x greater than laser plasma EUV sources ) and you might end up eating your words in 2-3 years when the source integration is completed. There was an announcement by a U?Washington plasma physics prof about a Zpinch EUV plasma source ( discharge is magnetically confined by a current sheath ) that makes a simple longer pulse source of extraordinary net average power increase for EUV illumination. I have little understanding of the technical issues relating to the source integration into the ASML EUV stepper, but the source itself is apparently a possibly compelling breakthrough. Within weeks of disclosure of the source breakthrough by its professor inventor I think I remember that ASML issued an announcement that timeline for EUV "deployment" has been pulled in .... ( implying they will be using the source, but not mentioned at all ) I think there is a change that production viability prospects for EUV might have improved significantly, but this is as yet just decent speculation, based on ?coincidences of a technical nature ( from a process engineer )

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Peter Clarke   9/21/2012 3:02:21 PM
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I think you are refering to Zplasma Inc. http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-news/4376726/Nuclear-fusion-research-forms-plasma-for-EUV

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resistion   9/21/2012 3:50:54 PM
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Maybe you better get some more details on this. You don't want longer pulse, you want larger duty cycle and shorter pulse duration. And it turns out the resist dose window will not even benefit from a power boost.

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Kresearch   9/21/2012 9:54:52 PM
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Again, it is an EUV marketing chant. If with breakthrough, arrogant like ASML won't invite Intel,TSMC, Samsung to invest her recently. Intel even urged ASML to expedite ArF immersion development in 450mm lithograpgy. I guess we would stick on 20nm for a long while and 28nm or 20nm node would be a historically sweet spots for foundries.

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rick merritt   9/21/2012 5:39:35 AM
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Time will tell if this is a bold leap forward or a foolish jump off a cliff.

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Huey   9/21/2012 11:52:51 AM
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That's what I think.. with leaning ---..

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Archeologist   9/21/2012 8:32:05 AM
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They are just renaming their 20nm process as 14nm. The challenge still remains to get yield with FinFETS. When they do get yield they can say they are competitive. Without yield, it may as well be a mee too PhD thesis.

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BillSalmond   9/21/2012 11:10:26 AM
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Is this a joint development with IBM? If so, will other "fab club" members deploy this process(e.g. Samsung). IMHO Global do not have the resources or talent to do this on their own.

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SiliconAsia   9/21/2012 4:16:44 PM
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Let them claim what they want. The time is ticking....

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Roba66   9/21/2012 5:01:33 PM
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The backers of Globalfoundries have deep pockets but I think competing with Intel is an unhealthy obsession for them. I like profitable foundries that keep the mature processes going so people can make lots of mixed-mode chips.

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KB3001   9/23/2012 12:30:09 PM
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This is akin to gambling in a casino as far as I am concerned. It might pay off but it's still foolish.

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techguy999   6/14/2013 2:25:54 AM
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Globalfoundries should focus on being able to make 20nm planar work before they make promises on 14nm FinFET technologies, if they can't make 20nm planar devices work then 14nm FinFETs will be nearly impossible. Lots of smoke here ...... We will see if customers can tape out early designs in 2014 in 14nm.



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