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Mxv
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re: Why can't good engineers get good jobs?
Mxv   10/11/2012 5:14:21 PM
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agree whole heartedly. save your money while u have a job to start one on day.

Mxv
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re: Why can't good engineers get good jobs?
Mxv   10/11/2012 5:13:12 PM
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see above, get out white you can. I have two kids 15, and 11 and am over 40. Try looking for a job when ur over 40. Have skills up the wazzu and haven't found a job in a year. Go to law school instead of MSEE. You will thank me some day. Cheers.

Mxv
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re: Why can't good engineers get good jobs?
Mxv   10/11/2012 5:10:39 PM
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why would you enter this declining field. Should enter a licensed profession like medicine, law or plumbing, hvac anything but engineering. Sorry, but the writing is on the wall. Open eyes and read.

David.Bley
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re: Why can't good engineers get good jobs?
David.Bley   10/11/2012 5:06:50 PM
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You need to bypass HR. They are as overworked and short-staffed as everyone else. Besides filling openings is only a small part of their duties. What is an engineer? One who can get the job done. I have worked with non-degreed and degreed engineers. I have trained engineers to design products and I am not degreed. Most non-degreed engineers have the title because they are competent. If you select engineering as a profession, prepare to do something else before you reach age 45 or so. You will not be able to keep up with the changes in technology, you will be too expensive compared to new graduates and if you don't transition soon, you will be too old to be hired doing anything. You also may have to relocate to China or India to find work.

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LabRats   10/11/2012 4:46:34 PM
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Same experience here. Have been successfully using online searches and applications for more than 15 yrs. It does require investment in time for research and tweaking resumes carefully to fit each position description. Definitely a full-time job to search for a worthwhile position.

JeffL_2
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re: Why can't good engineers get good jobs?
JeffL_2   10/11/2012 4:23:43 PM
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I've read that in regard to the specific automated "job search services" that get most of the business from corporations, the primary selling point is that they are terrifically effective in preventing successful lawsuits from applicants who were not hired, NOT that they were actually successful in locating applicants that met the job requirements! Could one possibly derive from this that the emphasis placed on the requirements for these services are a bit off-target? Or that once again the legal profession is putting their needs before everyone else and needs to be restrained by some other means? Just asking...

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bcarso   10/11/2012 4:17:35 PM
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Should we be surprised that software designed by HR people is even more stupid and ignorant than so many of them are? My favorite old example was the guy who didn't have specific DSP experience, according to HR. Actually he had extensive experience, but he made the mistake of spelling it out: digital signal processing. He persisted in finding out how it could be that he wasn't even granted an interview, and discovered the reason was HR ignorance.

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agk   10/11/2012 11:38:14 AM
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Experienced employers see the candidates general back round based on their requirements and select easily. Then specific trainings are provided and when they mingle in the group ,automatically they get tuned and they perform better with new innovative approaches.

RajkumarKadam
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RajkumarKadam   10/11/2012 7:29:46 AM
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I agree that this software filtering is a big problem. I remember my application to hr@.... just vanished into a black hole. After few weeks when i called up the company, i was lucky to get to the Engineering director, When we discussed about my past experience.He immediately called me even though it was saturday,and i had an offer the following week. Later when i was part of the the company,i was told that my resume got filtered as it did not meet the requirement as per HR process :)

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joshxdr   10/11/2012 12:18:15 AM
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I changed jobs in 1998, 2000, 2003, and 2009. In all four cases I was hired as a result of online job application. I did not have a personal contact at any of the four companies. I treated my job search as a full time job. I did a lot of research on companies and industries. I customized every resume I sent out. If you are clever you can make the filters work for you. After reading a lot of job ads, you can get a sense of which ones are bogus. Of course, it is much easier to get a job through personal connections. This can be hard to do if your company goes belly up. In that case all of your contacts are unemployed!

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