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DMcCunney
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re: Yoshida in China: Time for Japan to exit TV market
DMcCunney   10/25/2012 5:13:51 AM
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@kleiber: "China did not start this latest dispute but once started, Noda thought China can be finessed like previous times. All political parties are getting hawkish and so he went along. Now they did not anticipate the hurt would be this much." Japan sounds much the same as the US in this. One of the problems for the US has historically been that foreign policy decisions are made based on domestic political concerns. Someone wants to keep voters happy, says what the voters want to hear, does what they think the voters will approve of, and gets a surprise when it blows up overseas. It sounds like the Japanese policy makers involved never seriously thought about what China might do - only about what the Japanese voters would think. Oops.

DMcCunney
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re: Yoshida in China: Time for Japan to exit TV market
DMcCunney   10/24/2012 5:17:59 AM
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I would be surprised, because I used to *get* broadcast TV. Antenna didn't matter: there was *one* broadcast channel that came through acceptably, because the transmitter was atop the Empire State Building, which is a 5 minute walk from me. Everything else was hash. And while I watch next to no TV, my SO watches a fair amount, and the majority of her fare isn't available broadcast - it's cable only. The strategy wouldn't work for me. If it works for others, a tip of the hat to them.

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re: Yoshida in China: Time for Japan to exit TV market
Bert22306   10/22/2012 8:07:20 PM
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You might be surprised, if you gave it a try. First point is, though, that in RFenvironments similar to NYC, i.e. just about any major city in Europe, the majority of over the air TV users rely on either a building antenna or their own outdoor antenna, installed professionally on the top of the apartment building. The majority cannot make do with indoor antennas. Another point is that one of our neighbors wrote just about exactly the same words you did, in the community newssheet, when analog TV went off the air. Imagine my surprise, since I had been using over the air digital TV for years, relying only on indoor antennas, the downstairs one sitting inside my fireplace! Digital TV receivers of reasonably recent vintage do a good job with reflected RF. And, of course, there's also lots of TV available now over the Internet, either at the site of the major networks themselves, or in over-the-top sites like Hulu, Amazon, Netflix, heck try even this one: http://wwitv.com/portal.htm You can watch live TV from an enormous number of countries online. Even such nice stuff as BBC World Service. No reason to believe that there's no TV beyond your MSO.

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re: Yoshida in China: Time for Japan to exit TV market
klieber   10/20/2012 9:48:20 PM
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It is indeed a very difficult decision for the Japanese brands. To abandon the China market is to give up the huge market to local brands and others. It seems the tactics of foreign brands in China has always been to charge high prices because the rich in China increasingly can afford them. But this puts the foreign brands in a box of small sales numbers while local brands fight for the low price market, but with huge volumes. Take the camera market for example, the Japanese brands dominate by being vertically integrated but small volume. The chinese have however gotten into the volume optical market of the cellphones and computer vision areas and the CMOS chips are the newer technology. So the Japanese camera makers are shut out of the huge volume, high quality, smaller and less expensive area. Sunny for example sells these opto components to everybody; Samsung, Toshiba, ZTE, Foxconn. CMOS will get better and better. As long as the reality of the components are on the side of Chinese, Japan will slowly lose out. Another industry going. China did not start this latest dispute but once started, Noda thought China can be finessed like previous times. All political parties are getting hawkish and so he went along. Now they did not anticipate the hurt would be this much.

Bert22306
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re: Yoshida in China: Time for Japan to exit TV market
Bert22306   10/20/2012 9:47:52 PM
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I totally agree with your analysis, ... but hold on. Since when do the CE companies work for the MSOs? Doesn't the "C" in "CE" mean "consumer?" That's why, when they seem totally incompetent in designing a proper Internet "thin client," and when consequently their sales drop, I have very little sympathy. And BTW, your analysis also applies to the inclusion of DTV "tuners." The CE companies kept dragging their feet, not JUST to build in the tuners, but even to sell reasonably effective separate stand-alone tuners. Why? It's obvious. They're in bed with the MSOs. As I've indicated elsewhere, my solution was to ignore so-called "connected TVs," and instead dedicate a PC to the role of Internet STB.

Bert22306
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re: Yoshida in China: Time for Japan to exit TV market
Bert22306   10/20/2012 9:40:07 PM
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For that matter, what about China wrt Tibet? For some reason, Chinese kids are indoctrinated to believe Tibet is naturally belongs to China. Since when?

de_la_rosa
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re: Yoshida in China: Time for Japan to exit TV market
de_la_rosa   10/20/2012 8:52:40 PM
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LG and Samsung TV quality far exceeds any other brand. No need to discuss politics; the previous statement is the sole reason for other brands troubles.

DMcCunney
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re: Yoshida in China: Time for Japan to exit TV market
DMcCunney   10/20/2012 6:17:44 AM
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How well that notion will work will depend on where you are and what you watch. I'm in NYC. Forget broadcast channels, regardless of whose antenna you buy. If you want viewable reception, you have cable, or possibly a dish. And most of what I might want to watch isn't on broadcast TV, and requires cable anyway.

DMcCunney
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re: Yoshida in China: Time for Japan to exit TV market
DMcCunney   10/20/2012 6:10:47 AM
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There was grumbling by some in the US when Microsoft released a version of Encarta sanitized of references to things like the Rape of Nanking to avoid upsetting the Japanese, who steadfastly refuse to admit it, and I have an old friend who is Chinese and a dedicated photographer, who rails about Japanese actions in WWII and won't use Japanese cameras. But Japan is hardly the only offender in the "can't admit it" box. Ask the Turks about genocide against the Armenians. The usual answer will reduce to "It didn't happen, and if it did they're an inferior lifeform who deserved it." *Nobody* likes to admit to things like that. Germany didn't have much choice: it was surrounded by countries it had invaded, and if it wanted to be accepted by the rest of the world it had to own up. Ultimately, I see money as the best hope. I'm in NYC, a block above one of the areas called "Little India". It's full of Indian/Pakistani/Bangladeshi restaurants, grocery stores, clothing stores, and video rental places. It's a mix of people who hate each other and are at the brink of war back home, but over here, the ethos seems to be "We have a common overriding interest: making money! Check your ethnic, sectarian, and religious rivalries at the door or you won't be happy here..."

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re: Yoshida in China: Time for Japan to exit TV market
WW Thinker   10/20/2012 4:48:31 AM
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The reason is simple, worldwide, there are a bunch of MSOs (e.g. Comcast, Time Warner, Charter, ..) whose interest is not to serve you, but to make the fat cats of the financial world happy! Unless, these MSOs, the fat cats, and the broadcast stations, the movie studios, the government officials all come to some kind of agreement, you are not going to see in your life time the realization of the truly "pull" model for TV contents! However, you can do something now for the benefit of your next generation to force the shift to the "pull model". Cut off the cable/satellite subscription, hook up one of your idling notebook/PC with HDMI output to your flat-screen TV, buy the indoor HDTV antenna from Costco. Then, you will have a true internet TV which is not wall-gardened and HDTV signals without Comcast re-coding the HD signals to a lesser resolution.

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