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Bert22306
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re: Entrepreneur says Win 8 marks end of PCs
Bert22306   10/22/2012 7:21:30 PM
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Remember in the 1980s, when "everyone" was working on fiber optics, and "no one" was developing RF wireless? Heh. heh. Sounds like the same argument now. I will repeat, though, that PC does not necessarily equate with Wintel machine. The concept may well morph into something more along the lines of docks for smaller portable devices on steroids. I have to laugh at this sort of debate. It happens again and again. Many just have a tough time seeing beyond the news headlines du jour, generalizing that the newest trend will necessarily become the new normal, replacing all that came before. You know, like fiber optics vs wireless.

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re: Entrepreneur says Win 8 marks end of PCs
help.fulguy   10/22/2012 6:53:27 PM
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i put the blame on the author, who is a dope head. He doesnt understand that Shapiro is trying to sell his SW. I guess now, you can buy any article you want to publish by paying EET

any1
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any1   10/22/2012 5:21:35 PM
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I think most posters on this board believe that PCs are here to stay, And I agree PCs will be around for many years to come. But I do see them becoming more of a niche market as time goes by. Most people simply won't need them for work or for play - just us engineers and other science and tech workers, which is a small minority. Just as laptops replaced desktops for many people, tablets will replace laptops. It's already happening.

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re: Entrepreneur says Win 8 marks end of PCs
SmokeNoMore   10/22/2012 5:20:48 PM
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“Sorry, but it strikes me as another concept that seems aimed at the most clueless lightweight users.” You’ve just described the large majority of computer owners. They use the computer for web browsing, email, light photo/video and “casual” use. They buy processors they don’t need, drives they’ll never fill up and they help pay EE salaries. Visit a college campus. You’ll see just as many kids carrying tablets as they are carrying laptops. The textbooks are downloaded to the tablet and they have cases with integrated keyboards for typing up that paper. There’s no need to print the paper. They email it directly to the professor. I’ve visited one of the largest data analysis firms and the managers are carrying - you guessed it - tablets. Not one of them had a laptop in their hands. Even my work laptop is reduced to a host for a window onto the Linux farm. The most complex task I have is sorting email on Outlook. All of my “engineering work” takes place on a server. The personal PC market is doomed the company is a fringe player as a shrinking market will only support the fittest of companies.

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re: Entrepreneur says Win 8 marks end of PCs
hippydog   10/22/2012 4:59:38 PM
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Would it not make more sense to move to cleaner customized OS rather then "remove stuff"? or pay someone to access "pc app store".. This already exists, its called IOS and android.. Google is just biding its time until microsoft is weak enough for it to "allow" its android OS to be used on PC's..

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DMcCunney   10/22/2012 4:22:04 PM
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@VC-GUY: We can agree on all of those, but I don't think it matters. The underlying problem Intel and Microsoft are dealing with was with us before smartphones took off or the tablet even existed: the PC market is saturated. Pretty much everybody who *can* have a desktop/laptop, *does*. Revenue in that space is increasingly replacements, not new sales. Intel and MS face the issue of "Where does *growth* come from?", and the answer they are seeing it as "Other markets that are not PCs." MS wants to be in the smartphone and tablet market, so Windows 8 has been designed for portability, with a flavor of it available for all platforms. The Metro system, with a bytecode interpreter for Metro apps takes a cue from Java's "Write Once, Run Anywhere" philosophy. I haven't Looked Stuff Up, but I suspect that like Java, the bytecode generated when you compile a Metro app is the same regardless of platform, and you can do something like build on Intel for an ARM target. Intel is pushing hard with Atom for a chunk of the low power space, but ARM is winning there. Intel used to make ARM processors, before selling their StrongARM operations in a reorg. We might just see them reverse course and start making ARM processors again. Meanwhile, there are still *many* millions of PCs out there in desktop and laptop/notebook form factors, and they are going away any time soon. People have smartphones and tablets in *addition* to them. The PC is hardly dead - it simply isn't a growth area.

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re: Entrepreneur says Win 8 marks end of PCs
resistion   10/22/2012 4:11:46 PM
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I remember running intense desktop calculations as batch jobs on servers, and I even had to pick the server carefully. Some clouds too crowded.

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selinz   10/22/2012 3:49:56 PM
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Wow, a lot of emotion here. Anyone who does real work on a PC knows that tablets and phones are good at being toys and communication devices but are really crappy at doing heavy duty work. Every tried editing a complicated video? You need multiple screens and horsepower. Yes you can do cutesy video processing with phones. But not any real work. Every tried to do Solidworks Modeling or Cadence board layout using an iPad? Pulllease. I find this similar to saying that because more camera phones were shipped than DSLRs, the DSLR is going to go away. Don't think so. at the highest performance levels, you need the ponies. Even writing software is so much easier to do on a big screen and keyboard...

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motoxmuseum   10/22/2012 3:47:06 PM
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We are also headed for a world of fixed function devices instead of a world of general purpose function devices customized for a specific function. In the end this will cost the consumer more however they don't understand and the industry does understand more cheaper devices means more revenue then one device.

motoxmuseum
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motoxmuseum   10/22/2012 3:45:09 PM
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Here is the key point: No one is developing for the desktop PC anymore. There is a lot of potential left in the desktop paradigm but everyone is focused on the mobile software space hoping to become the next software success store. You can innovate as much as you want on the desktop hardware side including size, shape, power but if no one is developing for that software market then the hardware is just a boat anchor.

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