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mac_droz
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mac_droz   11/2/2012 12:27:34 PM
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As far as I recall (from one of the latest Discovery Channel programs) the pyramids were actually not build by slaves but quite well paid and well trained craftsmen.

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mcgrathdylan   11/2/2012 2:22:30 PM
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Yeah, I think there is some debate on that. But either way, this thing with the Mexican cartels is very frightening, to say the least.

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SylvieBarak   11/2/2012 3:22:38 PM
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Whatever was the case with the ancient Egyptians... I reckon they were probably better employers than the Zetas.... It is indeed super frightening, Dylan. I wonder if the Mexican government could start recruiting engineers itself, to fight fire with fire, so to speak?

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William Miller   5/17/2013 1:53:32 PM
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So, you're telling these engineers weren't kidnapped? They are working somewhere to be well paid. I would say everything is possible! schengen travel insurance

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EREBUS0   11/2/2012 8:24:06 PM
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If they offered a cut of the take and a 401K, they could probably recruit good talent rather than kidnap them. Just a thought.

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TanjB   11/2/2012 11:33:04 PM
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Check out Freakonomics. The drug industry pays most of its workers less than Macdonald's. It takes CEO compensation to the limit: all for him, a bullet for everyone else.

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SylvieBarak   11/2/2012 11:54:21 PM
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Yeah, the Zetas don't seem like the socially responsible kind... why pay your pension when they could just off you and dump you by the side of the road?

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rohs compliant   11/14/2012 2:43:59 PM
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who died and made you the lead actor from; "Breaking Bad"????

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seaEE   11/3/2012 1:16:19 AM
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There seems to be a lot of corruption in Mexico extending up through the police force and into the government. That may be why the "despite the best efforts of the Mexican government to shut it down" doesn't seem to be working.

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Tcat_Houser   11/13/2012 10:19:38 PM
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Having lived there for 5+ years, naively believing all that was missing was a shot at a practical education.... I just 'went out to get a paper', and walked away from everything... My 'willing students' we're blood related to the Sinola chief. They we're using my condo on the water as a safe house...

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osm3000   11/3/2012 7:00:59 PM
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Engineers are always very valuable. I actually don't see it weird that drug lords kidnap them, although this is indeed frightening. But what really puzzles me is that why doesn't the Mexican government recruits engineers and fight back ? I'm sure that the day of using just a police and guns have gone. There's a need for more sophisticated fight techniques I guess.

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resistion   11/4/2012 1:22:59 AM
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So sad, these engineers can't be expected to be released. So now studying communications engineering is a dangerous career path in Mexico.

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Fabio007   11/5/2012 6:59:16 AM
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This problem needs a radical, holistic approach, a solution that creates a new paradigm. More of the same simply means an "arms race" as each side tries to gain an advantage over the other - and kidnapping engineers is just one step in that process. Next will be the kidnapping (or bribing) of personnel from high-tech military and intelligence facilities. The solution: legalise drugs. Prohibition doesn't work. The debate is over, the only question remaining is the details. http://www.forbes.com/sites/artcarden/2012/04/19/lets-be-blunt-its-time-to-end-the-drug-war/ http://www.legalisedrugs.co.uk/results.html http://www.news.com.au/national-old/its-over-weve-lost-drugs-war-report-says/story-e6frfkvr-1226316949594 http://www.urban75.com/Drugs/drugten.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/28/drug-legalization-pros-cons-drug-war_n_1834417.html

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resistion   11/6/2012 4:44:37 AM
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There's a point. Legalize and regulate drugs, so that everything is under control, and the drug cartels lose their business. But with their resources already, the cartels would easily become like domestic terrorists, would they not? How strong and corruption-free is the government?

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MClayton200   11/5/2012 6:50:03 PM
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I agree, legalize drugs, require perscriptions, and use tax revenue to treat addicts...just like we do with oxycotin. BUT street heroin is now cheaper than oxycotin. So some underground drug traffic will always exist for economic reasons. But it would be a start.

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Brian Fuller2   11/6/2012 1:29:01 AM
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Yikes! That's a scary trend. My question is: "What would Gus do?" ("Breaking Bad" fans please weigh in)...

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seaEE   11/6/2012 5:49:27 AM
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We might also want to legalize and regulate enslaving engineers.

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boblespam   11/6/2012 7:09:32 AM
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doh ! You mean it's not already the case ?! My Master (inBA) lied to me ?

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bougues   11/7/2012 1:14:03 AM
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Can these bright people emit a signal to make it easy for the bright engineers working for the US government to track their kidnappers?

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the mountain man   11/8/2012 3:14:32 PM
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Legalizing would definitely take most of the profit out of these operations and should help stem the violence. this is assuming no corruption in the government. And,instead of playing around with these people, they need to execute the leaders, and not let them live 15 years in prison going through the process.



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