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pmoyle111
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re: Donít talk to me about Windows 8!
pmoyle111   12/6/2012 10:58:16 PM
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Adapt!!! go Linux!!!

Oh no the smoke got out
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Oh no the smoke got out   12/6/2012 10:44:19 PM
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"You WILL use this and you WILL like it" is not a good attitude towards customers, unless of course there is a monopoly or duopoly. Just imagine how much more customer driven, rather than dictatorial, both Microsoft and Apple would become if Adobe, Altium and a host of other software producers would port to Linux....

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Duane Benson   12/6/2012 7:42:07 PM
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Max - I'm totally with you on this. "this should be intuitive (but it's not)" - this is really the key as far as I'm concerned. There have always been annoyances and idiosyncrasies in any new OS. But, when moving to a new OS, I've always been able to be productive right away. Even from DOS to Windows 3 and Windows 3 to Win 98. Always. Even if I thought the OS was buggy or annoying, I have always been able to get up and running right away. Not so with Win 8. I'm a few years short of you in computer experience, but I've hand assembled machine code and entered it with a hex keypad and I've used every Windows desktop OS (except Bob). Win8 does seem reasonably intuitive if all you want to do is read and look at things, but it's horribly space inefficient for decent sized monitors, so many functions are hidden and it is not set up by default for actual work. Hiding something isn't good, but isn't necessary catastrophic provided it works the same as it used to, but hiding it and changing the way it works is very poor design. You and I and the rest of the world will eventually figure it out, but I strongly consider the Win 8 UI to be a bad business decision that could have only been made by someone out of touch with the vast majority of users. A good UI shouldn't require a book or training class. Maybe that was okay back in 1990, but not now.

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rick merritt   12/6/2012 7:35:56 PM
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I love Jim Turley's headline: Windows: 8, Users: 0 http://jimturley.com/index.php/news-blog

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Max The Magnificent   12/6/2012 7:05:22 PM
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"The frustration I feel at people like you, is more i'm sure than the frustration you feel for Windows 8." I wouldn't bet on that if I were you. Let me explain this in a nutshell -- I've been using computers for longer than I care to remember -- I worked with analog computers at university and my first job was designing CPUs for mainframes. I'm sure that as you say there are ways around everything in Windows 8 -- but what we have here is someone (me) who already has too much on his plate and who just wants to do basic things like launch apps and find and print documents -- this should be intuitive (but it's not) -- and it should be obvious to the countless millions of people who have slogged their way through previous generations -- the fact that it is so UNintuitive is going to generate a HUGE amount of frustration and subtract from the total sum of happiness on the planet

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Duane Benson   12/6/2012 7:03:36 PM
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Oops! When I said "I do feel overly harsh with my criticism of Windows 8, but in others I feel it's justified.", I meant "I do feel overly harsh with some my criticisms of Windows 8, but in others (aspects of my criticism) I feel it's justified." Leaving out those few words could pretty dramatically change the meaning of what I was trying to say.

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Max The Magnificent   12/6/2012 6:59:00 PM
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"I find watching the resistant flail is fun." Well, so long as I'm making you happy, my job here is done :-)

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Max The Magnificent   12/6/2012 6:47:19 PM
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Hi Adam -- I used to like XP, but I think you'll find Windows 7 is GREAT -- check out these blogs wot I wrote: http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-blogs/maxs-cool-beans-blog/4210425/Windows-7---Office-2010---Visio-2010---Arrggh- and http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-blogs/maxs-cool-beans-blog/4210386/New-Computer---Windows-7---Office-2010---Eeeek-

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Max The Magnificent   12/6/2012 6:45:19 PM
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Thanks David -- I'll take a look when I get a spare moment

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Duane Benson   12/6/2012 5:57:23 PM
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ErickJ - I understand your sentiment: "Change or become irrelevant." Many years ago, I vowed to myself to never become a Luddite or lose touch with the particular technologies that I deal with. I think I've done a decent job of it, but not perfect - There are a few things that I ask my kids to help with. In some senses, I do feel overly harsh with my criticism of Windows 8, but in others I feel it's justified. My first approach with Windows 8 was to just dive in and see what I could figure out on my own. The Internet was my fall back for actual instructional material. I've managed to figure out how to more or less mimic the start menu and pretty much anything else I can do in Windows 7, and I'm sure there will be a utility to make it easier at some point. I would say making things that much more difficult is a poor business decision. That's the crux of my extreme level of disappointment. The interface formerly known as metro has its place. It works on tablets and for consuming material. - I think Max articulated it better than I've seen anywhere else - The default setup is designed around consuming content, not producing it. This is a case where Microsoft really had an opportunity to differentiate between home and pro versions. Pro versions could default to ease of creation and home versions to ease of consumption, with an easy switch either way. In my opinion, not doing that stems from not really understanding their customers, is a very poor business decision and a very large opportunity lost.

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