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MVincent
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re: Donít talk to me about Windows 8!
MVincent   12/7/2012 9:52:40 PM
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Hi Clive, I had my 30-year old nephew teach the mindset of Windows 8, how the 'Modern' screen is the new Start, how to pin/unpin to customize it, etc. I still don't like it visually, but at least it makes some sense now. I absolutely love how much faster everything is, but then I now boot from a SSD (in less than 10 seconds!) and the system is not yet cluttered by so many add-ons. I will probably get a touch pad in the future, but not a touch screen, at least not until they find a way to 'touch' without leaving fingerprints, maybe using the new touchless 'gesture' device from Microchips? Marc

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R0ckstar   12/7/2012 8:10:24 PM
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Performance is the only reason I would even remotely consider Win8. This is interesting if it's true, but computers can be fast only because they're in a new unfragmented state, or they can be fast because of OS/file system optimization and therefore STAY fast indefinitely. I seriously doubt anything from MS is going to be lean, efficient, and optimized. Time will tell after an endless stream of security/stability updates.

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R0ckstar   12/7/2012 7:38:04 PM
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This is the bottom line. Win8 was not designed for the old guard. It was designed for 10 and 20 somethings who type with 2 thumbs if at all. Although I think win7 was the zenith of MS products, I still jumped off the windows train a while back. I'm all linux now except in dire desperate circumstances when I have to run a win7 VM, but still inside linux. At least it makes me feel like my computer still belongs to me rather than Microsoft.

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BobsView   12/7/2012 5:24:54 PM
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Forgot to say: Three things I like about my new computer running Windows 8: (1) It's faster. (2) Way faster. (3) Unbelievably faster. I still think XP is the best operating system around, but "faster" always wins, hands down. No more, "Click and Wait".

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dick_freebird   12/7/2012 4:48:44 PM
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All these things that make it "intuitive" for the mouth-open entertainment forager, impede the guy who's already got his motion down and just wants to keep working. All these things you "can do" to make the shiny object work like the shop-worn one, just steal your time, maybe billable time, to make work. But that's all fine because we exist for the convenience of the device manufacturer and not the other way around. "You should just read the brand new 10MB PDF manual" instead of working the day job. Yeah, thanks, Mr. Developer. No way would you want the default to be "no pain, same as it was". As mentioned, Microsoft has not been shy in educating us about the benefits of migrating to a stable platform. Put your work life on Linux and leave Windows to the entertainment appliances, which is where it evidently wants to be. Never buy a MS OS until SP1 is out, at least.

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BobsView   12/7/2012 4:46:40 PM
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Clive, Three weeks ago I was saying the same thing. But I got over it. Here is a simple survival guide for new Windows 8 users. See that little key near the spacebar that has the Windows logo on it. You probably never used it before. Well, its time is now. Push that key and it takes you to the main (Start) screen. It works every time. Right-click on any "tile" (that's what they call those pretty multi-colored squares) that you do not plan to use in the next 48 hours. Click on "Unpin from Start" and bingo, it disappears. It doesn't really disappear and you can add it back in 3 seconds if you want. More later. Now, do this for EVERY tile you don't plan to use in the next day or 2. Why am I doing this? Well, it cleans up the START screen. Make things a million times easier to find. But don't do this to the "DESKTOP" tile. You will need this, even if you don't think you do. Now, click on the "DESKTOP" tile. Bingo, you're back to Wndows 7, that is, without the Programs List. You will have to push the Windows key and return to the START screen to get another application (that's what they call programs now). How do I see all my APPLICATIONS? From the START screen, right-click anywhere on the background. A little symbol will appear near the lower right side. Click on it. All the applications will appear. So how do I put an application back on the START screen? Right click on it and click on "PIN TO START". That's it. All you need to know. Have a blast with it!

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peralta_mike   12/7/2012 3:10:22 PM
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I hate Windows 7 but not because of win7 itself but what because of what it allows our IT dept to do with it. They insist on requiring authorization for everything - or seemingly everything. This has caused me an innumerable number of headaches and frustrations in installing apps, in trying to edit documents (it commonly does not allow me to edit a document I previously created and read on another workstation.) etc. etc. Again this is mostly the fault of our "Severely Handicapping I.T." dept - which I abreviate as S.H.I.T.) requiring all sorts of "authorization". So I personally bought an old XP laptop to do my content creation. For run-of-the-mill emails and such I use the "official company PC" with windows 7. Also I know why they call it "Windows 7". Initially it took me about 7 tries to get it to print out a document to what I really wanted. Hence the name Windows 7 - because it takes 7 tries to get something to work. Someday maybe I will learn to live with Windows 7 at work (if the company keeps it long enough), but for now I generate my content with XP - thank you very much! I guess in time I will have to comply with the Marine code: ADAPT! IMPROVISE! OVERCOME!

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antiquus   12/7/2012 3:06:10 PM
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When I built my first Z80 (wire wrap) board, my father looked over my shoulder and said "What good is it if you can't update the microcode?". I agree with @chudson: another age is dawning.

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chudson   12/7/2012 2:37:25 PM
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I am yet to try Windows 8, however, I look forward to it. I want to see if it increases or decreases productivity in my Engineering Software packages. As a 27 year old, I starting computing in DOS right as Win3 and MacOSs started to emerge. I have never had much trouble migrating. I also have no peeves with running multiple OS's. Dual boot or Virtual Machines. The move to Win7 increased productivity for me. Didn't dislike Vista. I simply thought it was plane. Linux is great, for most things. But there is a software hole. (with some advanced tweaks, you can get around almost all of them... ALMOST). Not to discriminate in any way, but I truly think this is an age related issue. And this is the dawn of a new age. Hey, maybe I will eat my own words when I try it, but I think I will like it. Especially after getting an i5 Slate Tablet. No ARM tablets for me!

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FlyByPC   12/7/2012 2:21:46 PM
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Having tried Windows 8 on my wife's new Sony Vaio laptop, I agree with most of your thoughts. I don't even consider the Metro interface to be attractive, though. To me, it looks like the 1970s' idea of what The Future Will Look Like. I'm sticking with Win7 -- or barring that, switching to Linux.

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