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LiketoBike
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re: Donít talk to me about Windows 8!
LiketoBike   12/8/2012 7:12:35 PM
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YES. It took me MONTHS to get back to doing the things I USED to be able to do with the previous version. Like it or not, to accomplish or create things, there needs to be a certain amount of stability, which is NOT the same thing as ossification or lack of progress. New does not necessarily equal better, and change is not always (forward) progress. Can you just IMAGINE what would happen if, say, the lowly adjustable wrench was changed overnight, and within a couple of years, all the old versions went away? There would be a few new adopters. Mechanics, both professional and shade-tree, would revolt en masse.

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rickmc325   12/8/2012 1:53:30 PM
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It's also interesting that Windows 8 is the cheapest of most of the Windows iterations. I didn't find it intuitive either and I have a tablet. I never expected my tablet to be like my desktop PC and I don't expect my desktop PC to be like my tablet. I have, however, put Windows 8 on my laptop because it was the only machine that Windows 8 would let me put it on. I didn't like the fact that Win 8 made quite a few of my programs unusable (clicking the EXE file caused dead silence). Hopefully I can return to Win 7.

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Navelpluis   12/8/2012 11:39:39 AM
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Heck, this is a good posting. Could not agree more !!

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re: Donít talk to me about Windows 8!
Navelpluis   12/8/2012 11:22:21 AM
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Yeah, right. The only trouble is that I am a CREATOR and not a consumer. How about that? People like us cannot work with such an environment. As a creator I am reluctant to change: I want my (creative) energy used on relevant things, and not to find my way in a non-intuitive OS. The non-intuitiviness of where Max is referring at for me always is *most frustrating* ever. No matter what: PC's or measurement equipment, intuitive use for me is prime important. That's one of the reasons why we replaced the whole automation up here to Apple 5 years ago. OK, it also has it's quirks, but at least it is damned intuitive -and after 5 years in service I have to conclude that my MAC brought me a lot of money -just by saving us time and frustration. All that energy could flow to our customers. And I am 100% sure that most engineers think the same. It is only the managers lying in their way that they may not always decide what equipment or what OS to use...

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M.Gibson   12/7/2012 11:59:15 PM
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In 1982 I was using a operating system like Windows 8, It was a Color Computer with a program that had graphics that allowed you have little programs when hit with a joystick. What a bunches of boloney.

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David Ashton   12/7/2012 11:16:47 PM
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Does anyone feel the same way about the MS Office 2010 "Ribbon" interface? I actually did approach it with an open mind, but found that some things that you used to be able to do with a right-click were now not possible. You have to actually go to the right ribbon, the right menu and do them there. I use Office a fair bit and although I can now usually do anything I need with a bit of searching, I still find it very frustrating. I suspect Win 8 is gong to be like that. The sad thing is that yes, MS will lose customers over this, but they have a lot of new young customers who don't know or care what the old UI was like, so they (MS and the customers) won't even notice the loss. I get the feeling they made Win 8 the way it is to avoid becoming the new Nokia. Whether it will do that for them remains to be seen....

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MarvA   12/7/2012 10:55:16 PM
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I don't hate Windows 8 yet becaise I took my son-in-law's advice a few months ago when I needed to replace one of my dying computers. He told me that I wouldn't like W8. I trusted him and didn't accept the "upgrade to W8 option". I thought that MS peaked at XP but finally saw something in W7 that I really liked, seeing all of the like-kind apps in a stack on the task bar. It makes me forgive MS for making it more difficult to "see" the path where I just was. Those translucent borders of the windows suck. I don't mind change if it gives me more productivity but I can see that MS is catering to a new generation that is dumbed down to a play environment of cool toys. I like toys but I want them to be productive.

LiketoBike
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LiketoBike   12/7/2012 10:48:22 PM
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I write code. In several languages. I run simulations. In several domains (circuit, EM, system). I do CAD (drawings, schematics, layouts). Heck, I even touch-type. Hobbled by my need for a real keyboard. I can't see ANY of this being easier in Win8. As far as age being an issue...even a young person can get used to doing things a certain way (they call that "muscle memory"). At some point, we cross over from needing to LEARN a new tool, to being able to USE that new tool. Without constantly re-learning the tool!!! That's called productivity. It helps us get paid. MS keeps losing track of this. Max, you have it right...content CONSUMPTION vs content CREATION. My use does not STOP with reading datasheets, it BEGINS there...

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amelvill   12/7/2012 10:28:43 PM
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"I do think it's ironic that some Windows boosters are encouraging folks to use keyboard shortcuts if they can't figure out what to click." That's a good one, I remember hearing that about using Alt UP instead of the up button when I switched to Windows 7. Alt + X and Ctrl + Y is great only for two situations; honest shortcuts that you use a hundred times a day (undo, copy, cut, and paste are good examples) and command line applications. I use a UI so I don't have to memorize what CTRL X does for something I rarely use.

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Ryan Tennill   12/7/2012 10:09:13 PM
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Just wait until the winxs folder works its way to 20GB. This is usually once you finally have all your useful applications installed and are ready to actually do something useful.

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