Breaking News
Comments
Newest First | Oldest First | Threaded View
<<   <   Page 2 / 7   >   >>
BeALert
User Rank
Rookie
re: Donít talk to me about Windows 8!
BeALert   12/10/2012 6:15:27 AM
NO RATINGS
Has anyone tried to use a phone or tablet as a PC/Laptop replacement? I'm thinking a docking station with network, a mouse, keyboard and a monitor or two attached? Use the phone/tablet processor to do editing, documentation etc and farm off simulation, synthesis, place and route etc to something sitting on the network (though the phone/tablet processors should be able to do much of this anyway - 1GHz+ quad core). Has anyone experimented with running Win7 apps on a Win8 phone?

ksanger
User Rank
Rookie
re: Donít talk to me about Windows 8!
ksanger   12/9/2012 6:42:29 PM
NO RATINGS
My first uP was a 6800 DK2 kit. I feel at home here. I thought when MS Office changed to the ribbon it was a horrible thing. Give Beta versions to new non-paying customers who loved it and ignore your installed base. I currently have numerous Android devices, Droid Original, Droid Razr, and a Hacked Nook Color. I hope for an Asus TF700 as the Nook is terribly underpowered. Yet I use it to surf and sudoku. I can see MS's need for a tablet OS. If Win8 enables a tablet interface and lets you switch to a full blown development system that is going to be great. It sounds like it needs a little work. I can't see myself running Netbeans on Android yet. Maybe with the power of the Asus Infinity Tab. Until then I use a Win7 Toshiba Laptop that I love for its weight and portability yet hate having the small screen and mouse pad. At home I'm on Ubuntu 12.04 with a six core AMD processor. I love it. Too bad it doesn't fit in my briefcase. I didn't love 12.04 at first. The tiles felt awkward and I missed the old desktop. But its definitely workable once you figure out how to find your apps. Again this sounds like Win8. I haven't booted into Win7 at home in a long time. I am working on getting Win7 running in VirtualBox concurrently under Ubuntu 12.04... In short Win8 on a tablet may enable it to fully replace development on a laptop. I think that's MS's intent. I'm hoping that Linux under Android, or Android under Linux will be faster and equally reliable. Then my tablets will enable development and I can stick to Linux. Linux has a long way to go before it becomes usable by everyday people. So does Android as its updates are a horrible experience. My favorite OS would never need updates. I once ran Fedora Core 4 for 10 years until my bank no longer worked with its version of Firefox. I can live with that.

TanjB
User Rank
Rookie
re: Donít talk to me about Windows 8!
TanjB   12/9/2012 6:37:54 AM
NO RATINGS
Win8 is not simply for touch. It enables new hardware which uses touch. Not everything with touch is a tablet. I'm writing this on a Dell One 27, and can move easily back and forth between kb, touch, and mouse, depending on what I do. If I want to draw something the One kneels down like an easel. Did Win8 get everything right? No, it is new, it will need to adjust. I don't think you see much advantage moving from Win7 to Win8 on old hardware (I have both around the house now) which is hardly surprising considering that Win7 is the end of a long line of co-evolution. In order to appreciate Win8, try it on new hardware. A laptop with a multitouch screen, or a tablet, or an all-in-one with touch. And take 5 minutes to study the basics. Yeah, they decided to make some changes. You guys are engineers, you can understand the chasm issues. If you like Win7 on current hardware, no problem. But I think if you are willing to think about why the UX changes were made, and experience them on new hardware, Win8 will start to make sense. Not saying they got it all right. But they were definitely in chasm-jumping mode, and for good reasons.

WKetel
User Rank
Rookie
re: Donít talk to me about Windows 8!
WKetel   12/9/2012 3:24:54 AM
NO RATINGS
The new fad called Windows 8 is aimed at those consumers with the milliseconds attention span, who never create anything except text messages. For those of us who create actual designs for real things, not just software, and real documents that convey detailed information correctly, we need something fully intuitive, and the worst possible thing is to be constantly changing how our tools work. And change is seldom an improvement, ESPECIALLY FROM MICROSOFT!!! Aside from that, a company with integrity would not sell products loaded with bugs. I have heard the cop-out that the huge OS is just to big to debug fully, which clearly indicates that it is just plain too big! Perhaps that never occurred to anybody? Bigger is seldom better, except possibly for a very few things, and software is none of them.

WKetel
User Rank
Rookie
re: Donít talk to me about Windows 8!
WKetel   12/9/2012 3:23:27 AM
NO RATINGS
I think Nav... is correct. The new fad is aimed at those consumers with the milliseconds attention span, who never create anything except text messages. For those of us who create actual designs for real things, not just software, and real documents that convey detailed information correctly, we need something fully intuitive, and the worst possible thing is to be constantly changing how our tools work. And change is seldom an improvement, ESPECIALLY FROM MICROSOFT!!! Aside from that, a company with integrity would not sell products loaded with bugs. I have heard the cop-out that the huge OS is just to big to debug fully, which clearly indicates that it is just plain too big! Perhaps that never occurred to anybody? Bigger is seldom better, except possibly for a very few things, and software is none of them.

LiketoBike
User Rank
CEO
re: Donít talk to me about Windows 8!
LiketoBike   12/8/2012 7:14:36 PM
NO RATINGS
Totally agree. Desktop does-not-equal laptop. The problem (well, ONE problem) arises when folks try to force-fit this (tablet OS on a "traditional" PC).

LiketoBike
User Rank
CEO
re: Donít talk to me about Windows 8!
LiketoBike   12/8/2012 7:12:35 PM
NO RATINGS
YES. It took me MONTHS to get back to doing the things I USED to be able to do with the previous version. Like it or not, to accomplish or create things, there needs to be a certain amount of stability, which is NOT the same thing as ossification or lack of progress. New does not necessarily equal better, and change is not always (forward) progress. Can you just IMAGINE what would happen if, say, the lowly adjustable wrench was changed overnight, and within a couple of years, all the old versions went away? There would be a few new adopters. Mechanics, both professional and shade-tree, would revolt en masse.

rickmc325
User Rank
Rookie
re: Donít talk to me about Windows 8!
rickmc325   12/8/2012 1:53:30 PM
NO RATINGS
It's also interesting that Windows 8 is the cheapest of most of the Windows iterations. I didn't find it intuitive either and I have a tablet. I never expected my tablet to be like my desktop PC and I don't expect my desktop PC to be like my tablet. I have, however, put Windows 8 on my laptop because it was the only machine that Windows 8 would let me put it on. I didn't like the fact that Win 8 made quite a few of my programs unusable (clicking the EXE file caused dead silence). Hopefully I can return to Win 7.

Navelpluis
User Rank
CEO
re: Donít talk to me about Windows 8!
Navelpluis   12/8/2012 11:39:39 AM
NO RATINGS
Heck, this is a good posting. Could not agree more !!

Navelpluis
User Rank
CEO
re: Donít talk to me about Windows 8!
Navelpluis   12/8/2012 11:22:21 AM
NO RATINGS
Yeah, right. The only trouble is that I am a CREATOR and not a consumer. How about that? People like us cannot work with such an environment. As a creator I am reluctant to change: I want my (creative) energy used on relevant things, and not to find my way in a non-intuitive OS. The non-intuitiviness of where Max is referring at for me always is *most frustrating* ever. No matter what: PC's or measurement equipment, intuitive use for me is prime important. That's one of the reasons why we replaced the whole automation up here to Apple 5 years ago. OK, it also has it's quirks, but at least it is damned intuitive -and after 5 years in service I have to conclude that my MAC brought me a lot of money -just by saving us time and frustration. All that energy could flow to our customers. And I am 100% sure that most engineers think the same. It is only the managers lying in their way that they may not always decide what equipment or what OS to use...

<<   <   Page 2 / 7   >   >>


EE Life
Frankenstein's Fix, Teardowns, Sideshows, Design Contests, Reader Content & More
Max Maxfield

Some Days You're the Pigeon, Others You're the Statue
Max Maxfield
6 comments
I was watching the travel channel on television the other evening. It was some program about Madrid. The thing I really noticed was the plethora of statues all over the place.

EDN Staff

11 Summer Vacation Spots for Engineers
EDN Staff
20 comments
This collection of places from technology history, museums, and modern marvels is a roadmap for an engineering adventure that will take you around the world. Here are just a few spots ...

Glen Chenier

Engineers Solve Analog/Digital Problem, Invent Creative Expletives
Glen Chenier
15 comments
- An analog engineer and a digital engineer join forces, use their respective skills, and pull a few bunnies out of a hat to troubleshoot a system with which they are completely ...

Larry Desjardin

Engineers Should Study Finance: 5 Reasons Why
Larry Desjardin
46 comments
I'm a big proponent of engineers learning financial basics. Why? Because engineers are making decisions all the time, in multiple ways. Having a good financial understanding guides these ...

Flash Poll
Top Comments of the Week
Like Us on Facebook
EE Times on Twitter
EE Times Twitter Feed

Datasheets.com Parts Search

185 million searchable parts
(please enter a part number or hit search to begin)