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DesDizzy
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re: Yoshida in China: Probing Apple's U.S. manufacturing gambit
DesDizzy   12/12/2012 5:11:03 PM
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A little disappointed at the low level of insight shown in this debate. Would toss out a few obvious points from a BA perspective; 1) It is normal to evaluate/re-evalute your manufacturing cost structure periodically. 2) The MAC line are "high-end" computers. 3) The Chinese labour market cost increases are well documented. 4) The beginning of a new product cycle is an optimum time to change manufacturing dynamics/process 5) A high percentage of high end computer consumers (Graphics/film etc) are in the US. I could go on, however, it would seem that this, is an ideal time to announce something that has been in the works for many years i.e. bring high end highly configurable products nearer to end users using new manufacturing machinery and methods, solving logistical problems and without cost penalties. Ergo, logical business process.

docdivakar
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re: Yoshida in China: Probing Apple's U.S. manufacturing gambit
docdivakar   12/12/2012 4:57:37 PM
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Junko, one thing I notice is (& am not sure if others here drew the same parallel) there are many good lessons to draw from Automobiles manufactured in the US, including some of the pricey models (like BMW's in Tennessee). Granted we are comparing apples to star fruits(!), I believe there are good manufacturing practices that can be emulated to get the 'high' labor cost out. As others have pointed out, manufacturing consumer electronics products is an art. It is high time US perfected that art! MP Divakar

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sprite0022   12/12/2012 6:21:10 AM
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I start to have a feeling that china is THE heaven chosen place for mass production. (kinda like abrabs are the chosen place for oil reserves, so they can focus on prayers...) 1. population 1.3 billion... 2. industrious. 3. safe society, chinese folks are peace loving, mild. so they can get packed in high density, economic scale. 4. lacks higher level wisdom to get em into higher margin business (0 nand , 0 cpu) 5. u name it...

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re: Yoshida in China: Probing Apple's U.S. manufacturing gambit
seaEE   12/12/2012 3:50:30 AM
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Being able to manufacture a consumer product is a real art and science. There can be a range of skill levels involved. Having that range of skills in the U.S. further diversifies our economy and gives it a greater richness and strength. I would hate to see all electronics manufacturing move out of China, just as I hated to see a lot of it move out of the U.S. I think the electronics industry is something that all countries can participate in both to their benefit and to the world's benefit.

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re: Yoshida in China: Probing Apple's U.S. manufacturing gambit
Bert22306   12/12/2012 2:29:34 AM
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"The only way the average American can make more money is to give them a product to sell." I don't think that's right. People make money when they add value to the economy. And they make MORE money if they add more value than the average "other guy." "Add value" means doing whatever it is that the economy wants. You do that better than most others in the field, and/or you do something in demand that few others have mastered, you make more. So in principle, if all we did was generate IP, and of course all the other more menial local jobs, that theoretically should be enough. The problem is, the Chinese aren't stupid, right? If they do the manufacturing, what's to say they can't also generate IP? So we need to diversify. That's my take. China and India are gymongous. It stands to reason, there is a LOT of talent there.

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re: Yoshida in China: Probing Apple's U.S. manufacturing gambit
sprite0022   12/12/2012 12:19:58 AM
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yeah right, not all americans losers with this game rule. there are 10-30% americans are losers though, those who want to occupy everything. those who don't have a decent degree or gift to fit in the higher value part of apple chain. they are staving or freezing to death now. you all better come up with a solution.

Sparky_Watt
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Sparky_Watt   12/11/2012 6:47:37 PM
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You can't sell without a product and a customer. The US as a customer is declining. The more people that struggle to make ends meet, the less they buy. Unless we come up with a way for the average American to make more money, we will fail economically, and our failure will bring down much of the world. The only way the average American can make more money is to give them a product to sell. It is simple economics. If we send our money overseas by buying things made there, we must also bring it back by selling things there that were made here. If we don't, our money will leave and lose value. We will have less, and it will be worth less.

jackOfManyTrades
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jackOfManyTrades   12/11/2012 8:26:01 AM
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Or to put it another way: the fact that it is uneconomic to make stuff in the US is surely a good thing? Would you rather the economy of the US was more like that of Turkey/Vietnam/China so that it was economic to make stuff in the US?

jackOfManyTrades
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jackOfManyTrades   12/11/2012 8:16:17 AM
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Who makes more money? Apple or Foxconn? Manufacturing is the part of the process where it's hardest to add value and compete. Apple keeps in house in the US the parts of the process where most value is added (design, marketing, selling) and outsources the part where least value is added (the manufacturing). I find it curious that it is assumed by everyone here that moving the manufacturing back to the US is automatically "a good thing".

garydpdx
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garydpdx   12/10/2012 7:44:56 PM
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PR stunt or not, further rumors have pointed to the Mac Pro as the Apple machines. These are big suitcase sized desktops - or rather, desksides - used by animation studios and such. Not high volume but often some customizing involved. My wild guess (and this is totally guessing) is that Apple may be experimenting with robotics for customizing special order machines, where standard boxes must now be opened up and modified by hand.

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