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docdivakar
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re: Smart meters tackle water conservation
docdivakar   1/1/2013 9:23:37 PM
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A quick scan of the article leads me to this conclusion: the author makes a point about the seriousness of world's current water resources status and then starts with a case for accurate metering of water (where such metering infrastructure exists!)... and then morphs into an infomercial about Kamstrup's product and the case for ultrasonic water meters. Some astute readers above (@GPBobby included) made really sensible comments... indeed some countries already use (as well as some hotels in USA) recycled water for toilets. In much of the developing world where running water is still a luxury to many households, the payback from conservation using hitech meters at customer premises is a less attractive proposition. Bigger pay back comes from good management of existing water resources. This is certainly not to say consumer behaviour and payback is any less important but is a nonstarter for a discussion on smart water meters. MP Divakar

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re: Smart meters tackle water conservation
R Sweeney   12/19/2012 9:45:49 PM
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So I guess you live in an area without radio and TV service, right? And you don't use a computer which emits an incredible amount of RF noise. Oh, wait.

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re: Smart meters tackle water conservation
WKetel   12/13/2012 8:20:05 PM
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GPBobby certainly has a very good grip! A whole lot of water is indeed just used to make the sewers flow. But that could also be done using quite dirty water. In this "Greater Detroit" area it is common for leaking water mains to account for over half of the water flow, so it would be quite worthwhile to correct that problem. So how about, instead of just boosting the prices for all, if water rates are set to follow consumption, so that the larger users pay more for gallon than the smaller users. And then find some other means to make our drains flush correctly.

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re: Smart meters tackle water conservation
WKetel   12/13/2012 8:19:55 PM
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GPBobby certainly has a very good grip! A whole lot of water is indeed just used to make the sewers flow. But that could also be done using quite dirty water. In this "Greater Detroit" area it is common for leaking water mains to account for over half of the water flow, so it would be quite worthwhile to correct that problem. So how about, instead of just boosting the prices for all, if water rates are set to follow consumption, so that the larger users pay more for gallon than the smaller users. And then find some other means to make our drains flush correctly.

GPBobby
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re: Smart meters tackle water conservation
GPBobby   12/13/2012 12:54:38 PM
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This is an awful lot of hype over very little. Sure, it's a more accurate and possibly cost effective durable meter which can save reading costs, but water is not electricity. You have very few quick fixes to cut usage. A goldfish display on my wall telling me I just flushed my water saver toilet is a so-what. Data is only useful to the extent it can alter outcomes and you already know what you can do to conserve water - new toilets, timed sink faucets, the newest washing machine, and go back to using ice cube trays (which could result in increased electricity consumption). Most inside water is used (wasted) simply as a vehicle to transport sewage. Let's put our engineering talent and emphasis towards the source of the problem, not on fancy ways to tell us what we already know.

green_is_now
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green_is_now   12/13/2012 12:54:09 AM
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Tiny bubbles... How do they effect the acuracy?

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JmmWill   12/11/2012 5:22:47 PM
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OOPS! "The MULTICAL 21 therefore uses a standardized wireless communication, Wireless M-Bus, which is interoperable with other household meters and can be integrated into mesh networks." I guess if I were bothered by this wireless electromagnetic feature, I'd have to use a lawsuit to force a different communication principle.

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JmmWill   12/11/2012 5:18:53 PM
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I like the ultrasound basis. I am electrosensitive and would be tortured if the smart meter were using radio communications which penetrated to my living areas.



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