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sprite0022   12/26/2012 1:00:48 AM
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@Bert, I knows this too well. american males are not getting the short end of stick, never. they are more willing to get into pre-med or law school, that's the place you ll find a few hard studying white males. engineering/science just sucks, by any measure. only some desperate asians are interested in it.

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Bert22306   12/25/2012 8:49:53 AM
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Perhaps, but before you go too far with your line of thinking, you might also want to read this: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/05/education/international-students-pay-top-dollar-at-us-colleges.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0 This is a racket too, don't be fooled. Universities make more money from foreign students whose governments pay full tuition, than from Americans who count on scholarships. So between that and so-called "bragging rights," white American males are getting the short end of the stick. As the admittance stats show. Especially true at the most prestigious universities, such as Ivy League. Look it up.

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sprite0022   12/25/2012 3:22:28 AM
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anyone has a statistic of wheather white still dominating bars in college / bay area? I think this explains all. I once was at berkeley's library after dawn and see dominating asians. where white's heart at, where they will end up with.

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Bert22306   12/22/2012 1:04:00 AM
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"Do we consider a former Spanish citizen a Latino?" No, of course not. This type of conversation, in the US and increasingly in Europe now, but not much yet in other cultures, becomes a magnet for politically correct obfuscation. Other cultures seem to be a lot more straighforward about these things. When people say "white," I think they really mean "of European extraction." When people say "Latino," what they really mean is "of Latin Americal extraction," but possibly excepting Argentina and Chile. Because pretty clearly, Argentines and Chileans are largely "of European extraction" too. When people say "Hispanic," seems to me they are really referring to a native-American and Spanish mix, as you see more of in Mexico, Central America, Bolivia, Peru.

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bogdanbmcc   12/22/2012 12:12:00 AM
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The racial/cultural classification as practiced in USA does not further much of understanding of the issues. The examples are too many, so lets take on "White": In the context of this thread I would like to know: how many are native born, 1st or 2nd generation breakdown and the very important country of origin (or ancestry). I myself do not feel much White first or second or third although I am white. The country of origin comes first, class, education, upbringing etc... Given large portion of immigrants of any color these should be factors of any comparative study. Do we consider a former Spanish citizen a Latino? Do we classify him as White? And his primary language may be not Spanish .. how about Catalan?

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Thomas "Rick" Tewell   12/21/2012 10:59:21 PM
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'Tech companies, Lewis said, "do not want to employ Americans. They import labor from overseas, pushing for H-1B visas. Check the job boards. They basically say, 'H-1B Visa. Americans need not apply.' For years, women, blacks and Latinos have been kept out of the tech job market. Now white men are being forced to train their replacements.' WOW!!! That is a VERY provocative statement and is balanced by very little in the piece. I would say that the SJMN put together a piece that really has a lot of elements of racism in it... :(

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Bert22306   12/21/2012 10:53:06 PM
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I think the missing bit of information here is that the population of whites in California is shrinking, in absolute numbers. The population of Hispanics, and less so Asians, is instead increasing. The Hispanic increase tends to be poor, however. So it's not surprising that the STEM jobs left by whites are disproportionately going to Asians. http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Whites-in-state-below-the-replacement-level-3186119.php And there's more, though. If you do a search on the Freshman class demographic breakdown in top universities of the US, say the Ivy League colleges, you'll also see that whites are often less than 50 percent of the entering class. Part of that trend is for "bragging rights," of course, but part is also the global competition for admittance. Take a look at MIT's Freshmen in 2011, for instance: http://tech.mit.edu/V127/N31/admissions.html "African Americans make up 9 percent of the class, comparable to the Class of 2010’s 8 percent but an increase from the 6 percent of the previous three classes. (See the tables on page 10 for additional statistics.) "The remaining Class of 2011 is 38 percent Caucasian, 26 percent Asian American, 7 percent Mexican American, 1 percent Native American, 2 percent Puerto Rican, and 3 percent other Hispanic. One percent is of other ethnic descent, 8 percent are international students whose ethnicity was not polled, and 5 percent did not respond." So there you have it. The demographics are changing, more Hispanics, somewhat more Asians, and fewer whites, in the US in general, and in California in particular. Can't help but create chnges in the workplace, eh?

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liverdonor   12/21/2012 10:09:16 PM
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Amazing. This conversation is going down a very racist/generalist path. The State of California spends much more on illegal immigrants than legal ones - something like 1.25 times as much. The top of every list in that category are people from Mexico, Central and South America. I've spent most of my life traveling all over the world (mostly for work), and have spent nearly an equal amount of time studying human physical anthropology. Not only have I seen and read plenty of evidence that the small variance in genetic-driven tendencies (when those tendencies even express as behavior, which is very rare) between folks from different regions is vanishingly unimportant, statistically; I've also noted that in almost every culture that migrates, the parents of the culture go out of their way to provide for the children - not the other way round. This is certainly true of East Asian cultures. The absolute last thing anyone from China, Japan or Korea wants to do upon arrival in the US is to go on welfare. The numbers support this behavior. So your comments are not only racist but mathematically challenged.

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WKetel   12/21/2012 9:59:32 PM
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Danny is certainly correct. MOST of us don't live in the bay area, and a large proportion of us don't live in California. And California is most certainly not representative of anyplace else in the whole world. Possibly they have been out in the sun a bit too long.

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Thomas "Rick" Tewell   12/21/2012 9:53:05 PM
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ummm...excuse me? Are you bating folks here or do you really believe what you type? Are you further insinuating (assuming your assertion is valid) that this is somehow BAD behavior? A lot of people in our great country could take a lesson from our Asian friends and show a LOT more respect for our elders then we do. I think this is noble behavior. How is partaking of a rightful benefit in any way wrong? If there is some societal motion that says this is "bad" behavior then change the laws but until then... The USA is STILL a land of unbridled opportunity...it is a shame more of us who are born here don't reach out and take advantage of that. In many ways those who come here from Asia to find opportunity and benefit are quite courageous. We should be thankful that many of these engineers are willing to come to the USA and share their greatest assets of time, energy and brain power. I certainly hope that you realize the wonderful asset that they truly are to the engineering companies they work for.

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