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Adele.Hars
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re: ARM rates FDSOI process as "good technology"
Adele.Hars   2/6/2013 4:48:25 PM
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@Mrchipguy -- I'd posit that FD does not in fact have the same issues as PD. re: cost - there are 3 wafer suppliers (Soitec, SEH, MEMC). Also suggest Handel Jones' piece cited in my previous comment (he's got FD-SOI die cost = 50 to 60% savings compared to bulk or FinFET). re: physical design -- for ESD etc, because the top Si and insulating layers are so thin, for those devices they just etch back to the bulk (this is the "hybridization zones") -- you can read a full explanation in a white paper by Giorgio Cesana et al from a year ago at http://www.soiconsortium.org/pdf/fullydepletedsoi/planar_fd_silicon_technology_competitive_soc_28nm.pdf. And what they're doing with biasing is awesome.

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re: ARM rates FDSOI process as "good technology"
Mrchipguy   2/6/2013 3:57:45 PM
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SOI industry talk has been going on for 20 years without commercial success. AMD dropping SOI due to high cost, design IP, and no chip level advantage FD-SOI has the same issues - high cost issue: (single supplier), - Physical design IP not compatible (ESD ckts, poor high voltage devices, limited and DRC restrictions on multi threashold devices)

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re: ARM rates FDSOI process as "good technology"
krisi   2/6/2013 3:18:42 PM
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thank you Giorgio...interesting comments about hybridization zone...would you (or STM in general) be interested to describe FD-SOI technology for the upcoming Semiconductor Devices book I am editing? kris.iniewski@gmail.com

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re: ARM rates FDSOI process as "good technology"
Adele.Hars   2/6/2013 7:15:44 AM
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@resistion & Kresearch - FD-SOI scales to 10nm -- see http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-news/4403224/FDSOI-roadmap-renames-20-nm-node-as-14-nm. @Kresearch - wafer capacity is in place -- see http://www.advancedsubstratenews.com/2012/12/the-transition-to-fully-depleted/. @the_floating_gate re: cost/yield -- see Handel Jones showing *major* savings w/FD-SOI (who btw presented at the Common Platform Technology Forum yesterday) http://www.advancedsubstratenews.com/2012/11/ibs-study-concludes-fd-soi-most-cost-effective-technology-choice-at-28nm-and-20nm/

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re: ARM rates FDSOI process as "good technology"
the_floating_ gate   2/6/2013 5:28:32 AM
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Ciao Giorgio SOI wafers/substrates are significantly more expensive compared to bulk. On the other hand SOI requires less capex because the wafers are preimplanted requiring less equipment at fab level. It's a trade off between fix cost versus variable cost. If you can improve yields very quickly SOI is promising - if not you're wasting very expensive silicon. It's a trade off and Bohr said they were looking closely at both ... SOI and bulk...and he also did not exclude that some chipmakers might come out with SOI approach... BTW I spent lots of time in Agrate (when it was still SGS) as well in Grenoble (Thompson) and of course I love Catania - hey a fab in Sicily - who can ask for more. Good luck

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re: ARM rates FDSOI process as "good technology"
Cesana   2/6/2013 3:32:40 AM
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Thank you Kris for your question about design portability. 28nm FD-SOI technology adopts the same design rules as ISDA 28LP HKMG gate-first process, with minor changes and some incremental addition for the FD-SOI specific constructs (like the rules for the hybridation zone, allowing the integration of bulk "hybrid" devices in the FD-SOI technology). The PDK include scripts for automatic porting of schematics and layouts, easing the porting job. Of course, digital libraries will need to be re-extracted and recharacterized, while analog blocks will require to be readjusted/ retuned because of the different electrical performances of FD-SOI technology. Giorgio Cesana, STMicroelectronics

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re: ARM rates FDSOI process as "good technology"
resistion   2/6/2013 12:29:55 AM
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FDSOI out of gas at 14 nm?

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Kresearch   2/5/2013 11:32:46 PM
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It is kind of same dilemma like DUV immersion. When down to 14nm, both of them will be out of gas. How come foundry would pump in resources for this temporary solution which extend for 2 generations? Besides, SOI wafer capacity(Soitec)and Technology(ST)would be roadblockers for proliferation.

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re: ARM rates FDSOI process as "good technology"
krisi   2/5/2013 5:41:34 PM
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"The physical IP we need to create is essentially the same [as for bulk CMOS]." - this can't be true. Layout and DRC rules are bound to be different. Is there any way to automatically transfer the layout data from bulk CMOS to FD SOI? I doubt it

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