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sprite0022
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re: When is IP theft OK?
sprite0022   3/1/2013 12:56:45 AM
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@ ashton, You may find ice immoral but it's legitimate in the china and no one is stealing anything from anyone to produce or export it. So what's your point, besides, you love porn, i can smell it.

EREBUS0
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re: When is IP theft OK?
EREBUS0   2/28/2013 9:17:00 PM
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I think we need to define when is an idea, IP? Once you discuss an idea with anyone, you have already planted the seeds for optional applications. Once an idea is documented, either via a patent or a copy right, then it is up to everyone to respect the filers claim or contest its validity. Yes the system looks a bit convoluted, but lawyers rule the world. Any engineer can look at another persons idea and see how to do it differently and I have yet to see a patent that covered all of the possibilities, despite soom law suits to the contrary. What I really object to is blatant copying of an idea or technology to unfairly compete in the market place. This approach is WRONG at all levels. I also object to a company using the excuse of IP as a way to squash all competitors. Not everyone steals your IP exactly, most just find a new way to do the same thing with your basic idea. You should respect their new approach. It may be better than your own. Just my opinion.

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re: When is IP theft OK?
David Ashton   2/28/2013 8:54:43 PM
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Well said, przemek. Presumably sprite0022 is defending the right of someone to fly planes into buildings and kill large numbers of people because he does not like porn? Puhleeeze! And if Osama did not like porn, all he had to do is stay in his cave in Afghanistan and I can pretty well guarantee that none would get to him. You may find porn immoral (I do to some extent) but it's legitimate in the US and no one is stealing anything from anyone to produce or export it. So what's your point, sprite0022?

Marc Laventurier
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re: When is IP theft OK?
Marc Laventurier   2/28/2013 8:26:47 PM
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What have they been smoking - opium?

docdivakar
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re: When is IP theft OK?
docdivakar   2/28/2013 7:32:45 PM
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@przemek: thank you! That comment should be sanitized a bit for a professional portal like this! Stealing IP is NOT ok and I have not seen any objective argument to defend it, cultural or otherwise. MP Divakar

przemek
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re: When is IP theft OK?
przemek   2/28/2013 7:12:28 PM
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way to stay classy, sprite0022. Actually, I am curious what's really your problem---US is world largest exporter of many things, so I'll take your word for smut being one of them. So what? US leads in high technology, but you seem to wish it off the face of the earth because smut or fast food or whatever. Dude, get some sense of proportion. US is a major source of high tech by working hard and inventing things, not stealing email, paper or tapes. In fact, people whose recipe for success is surreptitious copying of someone else's IP condemn themselves to eternal inferiority, so be careful what you wish for. Are you defending stealing IP because it's so easy? I don't even know where to start with this one. Instead of stealing proprietary IP people would be better off by working to create or improve existing community IP. Whether it's open science or open software or open hardware, such freely available IP is a tide that tends to lift all the boats.

docdivakar
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docdivakar   2/28/2013 6:25:49 PM
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Seems like my comment earlier disappeared! My point was recognizing IP theft is one part of the problem but correcting that act and enforcement is more important. WTO is supposed to enforce this and signatory parties are expected to abide by it. But this right now is not very well implemented. MP Divakar

chanj0
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re: When is IP theft OK?
chanj0   2/28/2013 5:58:30 PM
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The better share of knowledge; the better humankind is gonna be. Imaging if Apple had kept others from building any kind of 3.5" screen to 10" screen no keyboard device, we wouldn't have so many other options to choose from in terms of smartphone and tablet. On the other hands, there is no doubt that IP protection has encouraged corporation to innovate. We all benefit from it; from electronics to pharmaceutical, from automotive to agricultural. To identify a theft, you can either catch them in smoking gun or look through loot. To catch an IP theft, unless you catch them in smoking gun, it will be very tricky. Using the attacker network address might be a way. Nonetheless, hackers can be extremely smart. They are able to hijack IP addresses through hacking into multiple hosts to undermine the ability of the authority to track them down. At the end of the days, who knows where they (hackers) are really coming from. We know most likely what they are going after. When knowledge becomes so critical to get ahead, I've no doubt that most countries are doing their diligence to learn whatever they can. Plus, intelligence is priceless. By knowing the developing of confidential project, authority might be able to do a intelligent guess of what the future takes us. Precaution might be taken.

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DarkMatter0   2/28/2013 5:14:46 PM
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A fundamental incompatibility of philosophies. Communism: from each according to his ability, to each according to his need (interpret as "if I need it, I'm justified in taking it"). Capitalism: I'm responsible for my own livelihood, therefore, if I create it, I should be able to profit from it (and I need to so I can put food on the table.)

sprite0022
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re: When is IP theft OK?
sprite0022   2/28/2013 12:54:58 AM
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ok, US is world's largest exporter of what? PORN!!! mfkers. Free and easy. come in email, paper, tapes... that's the true reason why bin laden co. want to erease this big piece of crap off the face of earth.

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