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old account Frank Eory
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re: London Calling: Forget wireless charging
old account Frank Eory   3/1/2013 5:43:01 PM
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You're right, it's not completely free, but it should be negligible compared to the load placed on the alternator by the rest of the car's electrical systems -- headlights, heater, audio system and the various electronic control systems. A/C is different -- a substantial mechanical load placed on the engine when the compressor is on -- and indeed running the A/C has a measurable effect on mpg. It would be an interesting calculation -- the actual mpg cost of charging a cell phone -- but I suspect that driving habits have a far greater impact on mpg, for better or worse, than charging a phone.

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re: London Calling: Forget wireless charging
Peter Clarke   3/1/2013 5:11:25 PM
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@Frank The argument that the electricity generated in the car is somehow free is surely spurious. If you put a load on -- to charge phones, or run the air conditioning -- you reduce the miles per gallon.

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re: London Calling: Forget wireless charging
tpfj   3/1/2013 4:03:45 PM
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I think the argument goes something like, I have 4 phones in the house, a tablet (or two), a cordless phone (or two), a laptop, a remote, several battery operated kids toys and a plethora of chargers to support them all. If we all played nice and built a one size fits all charger, I think your argument applies (which is what wireless charging is trying to be). Why do you believe that efficiencies won't get better with further development like they do everywhere else over time? Think of the possibilities if every AA or AAA battery in your house was wirelessly rechargable. I think that's eco friendly enough for all, rather than the billions that get dumped in landfills every year? Many many more products out there simply don't come with chargers than those that do ...

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re: London Calling: Forget wireless charging
krisi   3/1/2013 3:49:14 PM
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I really don't understand value proposition for wireless charging. I still need to bring my device to be charged in close proximity to the wireless charger. How is that different than connecting it to a wired charger? Are we really that lazy that we want to save ourselves the effort of pushing into the plug?

old account Frank Eory
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re: London Calling: Forget wireless charging
old account Frank Eory   3/1/2013 3:29:05 PM
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Many people believe the killer app for wireless charging is for the automakers to embed it in the center consoles of cars. From an energy use perspective, there is no waste there -- the electricity will be generated anyway as a byproduct of the engine running. For home or office charging, the concept of a charging mat that plugs into the mains doesn't seem like a huge benefit to me. But if charging mats get embedded into office desktops or kitchen countertops -- with a permanent connection to the mains -- it starts to get more interesting. As for efficiency, your comment about "do the right thing and plug in a wired charger for the time it is needed and then disconnect it" sounds great, but I suspect few people actually do that -- not because of lack of concern about wasting energy, but more out of concern that chargers have a habit of disappearing when not plugged in. Standard wall wart chargers could indeed be made more efficient by becoming smarter, but that seems unlikely. Who is going to add intelligence to a $5 wall wart in the interest of energy conservation, and which consumers will pay extra for that?

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re: London Calling: Forget wireless charging
Traces   3/1/2013 3:07:19 PM
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Yes, duh. The thing that you leave unmentioned is that the wireless ecosystem that was supposed to come with wireless charging, i.e., 60GHz fat pipes, is also dead in the water as a consequence. If you have to plug in your smartphone to charge, why wouldn't you use the same plug to stream video to your TV?

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