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eewiz
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re: China, India outspending U.S. in semiconductors
eewiz   3/19/2013 7:17:41 AM
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"There's money to be made in chip startups," the big EDA companies are usually not much interested in startups where there isn't much money to be made. Atleast this is my experience in dealing with a major EDA company on behalf of a startup, several years back. The major cost barrier for any semi startup is the EDA tool cost. Maybe the big EDA companies should do something to address this issue first. Something like give away the tools at very low cost and collect back royalties, when any money is made.

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re: China, India outspending U.S. in semiconductors
TechGuruji   3/20/2013 3:33:53 PM
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+1 For this comment. Today for a semiconductor startup the biggest part of the funding goes to EDA tools. Can cadence do something about this?

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re: China, India outspending U.S. in semiconductors
RGRU   3/19/2013 8:10:27 AM
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Sounds like the Chinese and Indian versions of Solyndra to me. Payoffs to the connected.

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woohoo   3/19/2013 2:54:03 PM
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"and its painful to see your kids go to the other side of the world" don't get it.. talking like a priest there, what about people who went the other way.. nothing wrong in going to India or China to work.. “but I would hate to see those countries have the most semiconductor companies." HATE, why?? Lip Bu Tan: US is not the start and end of the world. They are the biggest market, don't make it sound like a war cry just yet.

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aktion99   3/19/2013 3:18:56 PM
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Why hate, maybe cos the US is the best and famous when we think about semi. Right now us is still the king on semiconductor although US not lead in production them. About more than 500 semiconductor companies is from US from giant to start up, IDM to fabless.Its not easy to succeed in this industry although you have the right products because large boy will try to put you down in many ways. And same also in China and India, were I think much of the players is fabless not IDM and fabless companies usually face very though competition and environment to succeed. Look in the US how fabless players going right now, its very though and competition with big player is intense only a handful will benefited. Thanks

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woohoo   3/19/2013 4:22:23 PM
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Although I agree and did mention that US is a massive market and key driver of the semicond industry. All that has been possible partly due to a massive brain drain from India and China. The rhetoric where he tries to pitch it like a US vs India-China thing is unfortunate. We all know that the whole world is involved in design and development of almost every gadget, this kind of divisive talk is uninspiring to me.

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ian_teh   3/27/2013 2:16:01 AM
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I have the same feeling on the kid working in the other side of the world statements. I just feel the speaker isn't really a mature personnel in making such feeling hurting opinions.

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batavier   3/19/2013 5:17:28 PM
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Sounds like the LCD display "transfer" all over again: Developed in the US, now manufactured everywhere by everyone EXCEPT in this country by any US company.

batavier
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batavier   3/19/2013 5:27:42 PM
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Some additional reflection on this issue: In this country, investors are obsessed with quarterly returns. Oversees, there has been more of a long-term view - what is the outlook over five or ten years. The source of the funding is less relevant that this essential difference in outlook by investors in the US vs. Asia.

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chanj0   3/19/2013 5:58:31 PM
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In managerial point of view, manufacturing, or even performing R&D, elsewhere isn't much of a matter. The ultimate question always come down to to where the money will come, never from where. Previously, we have learned that production goes will trigger production related R&D is leaving. As the management, sooner or later, realizes the company might work more efficiently when R&D is actually closer to the production and QC people. As soon as China and India becomes the most profitable market, product manager will go. Now, most of the key resources are moving to elsewhere. Shall the management/ executive teams move too? The trend is an inevitable change of market life cycle. It is a good thing that part of the semi-conductor companies go to elsewhere since it will free up the resources in US for other innovation. The question is what the next innovation is. Stay Tune! ;)

M. Amine Essafi
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M. Amine Essafi   3/19/2013 10:07:34 PM
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yes in deed! you can also see how far could be the role of the central government in promoting strategic industries like microelectronics and semiconductors and assisting national science and technology developement, and according to what you mentioned, I think sooner and later the R&D departements will consider more seriously to move their operations or outsourcing to China / India

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FISH1230   3/19/2013 8:19:38 PM
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China spends trillions on building empty residential houses, not spending billion on building Fabs.

M. Amine Essafi
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M. Amine Essafi   3/19/2013 9:57:43 PM
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xactly those kind of efforts will allow china and india to assure the major role player in the world's mircoelectronics industrie, This news will certainly encourage companies considering moving their operations or outsourcing to China and India or even for anyone planning a venture there, as well as those who still hesitate to invest or already taken their first steps...

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aktion99   3/20/2013 12:23:32 PM
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Ok, one question I want to ask here is china will become like Japan in semiconductor industry were once the former take head to head with US in memory semiconductor and than surpassing US in the market share with superior cost advantage and manufacturing quality than now we seeing number of Chinese companies involve in mobile semiconductor space will this companies also can become like Japan surpassing US in same ways and strategy. Thanks.

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tqian532   3/20/2013 7:19:48 PM
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We out spent in defense budget than theirs combined.

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Singar   3/21/2013 10:45:51 AM
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what difference does it make to Cadence as a company, whether the business comes from US or India/china? Secondly, Tan has own investments in China. The whole thing doesn't add up.

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rick merritt   3/21/2013 3:35:41 PM
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Good points. My sense is Tan wants the US to invest like China and India in part to grow the pie.

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docdivakar   3/22/2013 7:47:25 PM
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Rick, I would argue, from an investment dollars perspective, that you should include Abu Dhabi's investment in GloFo along with China & India. Since much of that investment has gone to fabs in NY and R&D centers in USA, there is tax breaks given to GloFo is essentially the US governments investment in Semiconductors. MP Divakar

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ian_teh   3/27/2013 2:14:01 AM
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I agreed with you. And, i don't see any supporting statement to take Cadence's opinion in commenting the semiconductor industry as a whole.

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apvkt   3/21/2013 11:23:23 AM
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Bert22306   3/21/2013 7:25:23 PM
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Any money a government "invests" in anything is money the real experts, in the private sector, won't have to invest. I don't mind the government investing in things it is actually responsible for, but when it goes outside its area of expertise, like here, only those who stand to benefit directly can possibly approve. All those government dollars Tan wants to see invested in his projects are dollars taken from someone else, with likely a more worthy or financially sound cause.

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re: China, India outspending U.S. in semiconductors
mike_m   3/25/2013 9:39:29 PM
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The only way the US will ever help out in any research and funding for semi technology is if it can be applied directly to civilian Drone, Military or privatized Prison uses. All we need to do is somehow tie in consumer semiconductors to Drones, Missiles or Arizonas private prisons and the semiconductor funding would go thru the roof. And nice shameless plug there apvkt for your car stereos, you really should be banned from these post in the future.

ian_teh
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re: China, India outspending U.S. in semiconductors
ian_teh   3/27/2013 2:08:14 AM
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What does it mean painful to see your kids go to the other side of the world for US Engineer? Today, there are many Asian Engineer work in US - the other side of the world for them, and is it really painful for Asian? So when Asian Engineer relocate to US, then this is not your concern, but when US Engineer have to relocate to Asia, then this is painful in your view? Today, we talk about globalization, and open market, whereever there is market opportunity, the development will follow and heading there to, so if you think American's kid working at Asia countries is a painful matter, it's either stoping your kids to go into semiconductor, or asking your government to be more protective to your country's semiconductor industry. Oh yeah, it reminds me you really did the second, haha ... it's time to grow up, dude!



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