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A Metcalfe
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Re: Win7 anyone?
A Metcalfe   8/6/2013 6:58:22 PM
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XP SP3 is/was bulletproof and could have lasted another 5 years in the business market. Microsoft need REPEAT sales, not just new ones so they make profound changes on a regular basis out of greed.
This time it turned around and bit them bigtime, and they probably deserve the pain. I use WIN7 happily, and will resist WIN8 for as long as possible.
Lesson learned? Probably not.

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re: Windows 8 hurting PC market
Etmax   8/6/2013 12:28:17 PM
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Hi Rick, I'd like to add the qualification that PC sales are falling because you can only get Win8 on them. If you could have a choice of XP, W7, and W8 we would see less people holding off buying a PC. I've been rebuilding my PC's ever since Vista came out needing me to get a new printer and a lot of other stuff. Win7 made things a little so better I bought one to run my milling machine, but my main office computer needs to run $22,000 program which won't run on Vista/W7/W8 which means I keep rebuilding it instead of buying a new one. I think copyright laws for SW should be changed such that once a publisher no longer supports a particular program it should lose copyright protection. Then we would see DOS thru to W8 all sold side by side and MS (the company, not the disease) would be forced to listen to customers.

Etmax
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re: Windows 8 hurting PC market
Etmax   8/6/2013 12:10:34 PM
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I'll let you in on a little secret, there's a free utility written by some lifesaver that makes a W8 PC operate like a W7 or XP PC. It still has the bland eye tiring Aero look but at least things operate the way they used to. It doesn't fix the SW incompatibilities they introduced, but at least you can operate it. Go to http://classicshell.net/. I have it on my wife's W8 laptop and a W7 computer I use to drive my milling machine. One word of caution, last time the windoze autoupdate ran it disabled the add-on and I had to reinstall it. I'm still looking into how I can stop that.

Etmax
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re: Windows 8 hurting PC market
Etmax   8/6/2013 12:06:47 PM
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I'll let you in on a little secret, there's a free utility written by some lifesaver that makes a W8 PC operate like a W7 or XP PC. It still has the bland eye tiring Aero look but at least things operate the way they used to. It doesn't fix the SW incompatibilities they introduced, but at least you can operate it. Go to http://classicshell.net/. I have it on my wife's W8 laptop and a W7 computer I use to drive my milling machine. One word of caution, last time the windoze autoupdate ran it disabled the add-on and I had to reinstall it. I'm still looking into how I can stop that.

Etmax
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re: Windows 8 hurting PC market
Etmax   8/6/2013 11:59:53 AM
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Absolutely Duane, they made the same blunder when they completely changed Office to the ribbon I/F. Everybody had to retrain at imense cost or simply not upgrade which is what I decided. I use Office 2000 and guess what it still types letters and does spreadsheets. Now with the major OS UI change in W8 we have something that is so "something for everybody" that it's disfunctional for everyone. I have a Windows XP PC and an Android tablet and the UI shortcomings on the tablet make me switch to the PC for these blogs even because of quirks. If I was using W8 I wouldn't have a fall back position :-(. Why do I use XP? I use a PCB layout program that costs $22,000 and won't run on W7 or W8 so I don't upgrade for cost reasons, that $58 W8 upgrade would cost me $22,058, too expensive for an OS. On XP I can run DOS programs right up to WinXP programs, and then I hit a wall. I think there's going to be a future in making new PC's work with the old OS. :-) If it weren't for this MS would have made money on me upgrading to W7 ages ago, but now even if they were giving away W8 I wouldn't take it.

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Re: Win7 anyone?
Jinx67   8/2/2013 5:38:17 AM
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Meanwhile.

 

Working as a Microsoft authorized refurbisher, I can state that sales are at record highs and have been since Jan 2013. Simple explanation the refurbished PC market with Windows 7 Professional is booming.

Retired higher end core 2 duo and Athlon X2 *(or better) 3gb memory and a minimum of 200gb drive space is apparently a viable alternative for buyers disenfranchised by the tablet centric Windows 8 release, and simply looking to do the basics in key & mouse oriented desktop environment .

Seeing as how OEM manufacturers for reasons of their own no longer offer up Windows 7 as a chioce when purchasing a new PC. I can only assume this trend will continue until some "must have innovation" sways buyers back towards new purchases.

Personal opinion follows it appears that Microsoft has ironically done exactly the opposite. Actually stripping key features from it's Windows 8 release. Customers usually ask the following.

Is Media center still free in this version? "usually when purchasing a media center PC". Can I set up pop email accounts from my office at home? And ocassionally can I create multiple backups if I need to. Can I play a dvd when i take it home? Will this version run XP Mode?

Fortunately we can answer "yes on all fronts" as opposed to the unfortunate soul at a retail outlet. Who has no recourse at that point but to touch the screen and slide metro to and fro. I really feel bad for them, honestly having to try and pedal a desktop with amazing hardware specifications, and a watered down cartoonish tablet centric OS. Which barely utilizes the hardwares potential and makes it difficult (difficult as in not quite impossible) to operate and navigate efficiently.

I'm sure some one will state that Windows 8 is easy to use. I have to agree if your using it on what it's designed for it is easy. But if your attempting to acess control panels on a desktop it becomes  painfully apparent that it's simply not as fluid as it's predecessor.

 

 

 

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Re: Win7 anyone?
Susan Rambo   7/31/2013 10:25:08 PM
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Is this what I'm missing by always being on a Mac? I've been on a Mac most of working career because I worked in print. I'm sorry for your pain. 

DLH Eng
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Re: Win7 anyone?
DLH Eng   7/31/2013 10:12:36 PM
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Micro$oft just keeps making Linux look better and better...

Max The Magnificent
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Re: Win7 anyone?
Max The Magnificent   7/31/2013 3:16:34 PM
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@betajet: I rather like Windows 2000.  It's all been downhill since then

I recall being very discruntled when I was forced to migrate from Win 95 to Win 98 (LOL)


I was OK with XP, and I am very happy with Windows 7.

My wife got a computer with Windows 8 .. trying to work my way around that made my brains leak out of me ears

betajet
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Re: Win7 anyone?
betajet   7/31/2013 1:49:47 PM
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I rather like Windows 2000.  It's all been downhill since then IMO.  YMMV

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