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Youself
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re: Intel unveils Silvermont SoC microarchitecture
Youself   5/11/2013 4:11:09 PM
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same comment... MIPS/mW is one metric, but also $/MIPS ... we haven't heard whether this is a $20 or $100 device...

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re: Intel unveils Silvermont SoC microarchitecture
rfab   5/10/2013 8:38:59 AM
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IS YOU'RE AMD PR OR Mental illness ,Nonsense here all the day?

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re: Intel unveils Silvermont SoC microarchitecture
Chipguy1   5/10/2013 12:42:43 AM
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I am not guessing. Silvermount has ivy bridge graphics... (Big Si area) ...and Atom core with out of order execution ( significantly bloats x86 core size.) We have look at this for smartphone application....I am telling you with certainty that silvermount is NOT going to ship in smartphones at any volume due to cost. This is simple Intel marketing at it's finest....marketing leadership performance but using a lot of silicon area so its not apples to apples benchmarking

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re: Intel unveils Silvermont SoC microarchitecture
Wilco1   5/9/2013 9:16:03 PM
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Or ask how many Atoms were sold. Intel had 0.2% of the mobile market in Q3'12.

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re: Intel unveils Silvermont SoC microarchitecture
Wilco1   5/9/2013 9:11:29 PM
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He has a point though, even the current Atom has a much larger die size than its competitors: http://chip-architect.com/news/2013_core_sizes_768.jpg This is why there are 4, 5 and even 8-core ARMs but only dual Atoms.

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re: Intel unveils Silvermont SoC microarchitecture
Bruzzer   5/9/2013 5:30:03 AM
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Considering this subsidy example further Ivy E3 at 26/22 nm RISK production cost is approximately $0.53 mm2 on average marginal cost of $88, average marginal revenue $196, average weighed Price $279 (range $189 to $884). So some E3v2ís earn a much higher margin then ATOM does today. In this example the average marginal cost of producing one additional E3v2 redirected to ATOM now delivers five 62 mm2 devices at fabrication cost of $15.95 each that is $0.26 mm2 at run end. If those 5 processors fetch $55.50 each can deliver the equivalent of one E3ís average margin in this $197 marginal revenue displacement. The key question then is Intelís variable cost of production, the general administrative and manpower charge to produce a single microprocessor, or in this general example the system component solution, which on Intelís financial is around $105. Here raises the price below variable cost query. Mike Bruzzone, Camp Marketing

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re: Intel unveils Silvermont SoC microarchitecture
ElishaMemoryVentures   5/9/2013 5:01:27 AM
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Financial info like this from Bruzzer is too complex for me. But I do believe the issue is not about performance but cost. As mentioned before: Ask Intel the die size. Intel typically has to be one generation ahead to have same die size. very expensive Ask Intel about margins.... actually you can deduce them from the 10Q for the group that runs Atom.

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re: Intel unveils Silvermont SoC microarchitecture
Simon7382   5/9/2013 4:36:33 AM
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If these numbers have anything to do with reality then they are confidential information. Hence, either this is all guess BS, or you are violating your NDA with Intel (which they do not look at kindly, and rightfully so). My guess is that you know nothing and made up these numbers.

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re: Intel unveils Silvermont SoC microarchitecture
Simon7382   5/9/2013 4:30:00 AM
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Let's wait and see the die size when it is out instead of guessing, shall we?

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re: Intel unveils Silvermont SoC microarchitecture
Simon7382   5/9/2013 4:29:00 AM
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You know, Intel has been in the chip business for 40+ years, so one must assume that they understand basics like die size, die cost, gross margin, etc. If I was ARM or TSMC I would be very worried. Intel (not unlike the US) is slow, and certainly does not do the right thing many times, but when it starts moving you better get out of the way.

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