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Candy77
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re: Slideshow: How knockoff nation mastered ecosystem
Candy77   5/16/2013 9:46:40 AM
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Luckily,I live near Da Fen Village,it's a place famous for the paintings.It's a beautiful place that we can see many famous paintings and it does have a hisotry.They are almost copies,that's true.but at least we can know them,enjoy them,or even afford to one.Butfor the REAL ones,we just heard from the internet or hisotry book,we maybe never have a chance to know them,so do you think it's a loss for the paintings or the artists ? AND,how can you just name China as Knockoff nation ? Is that because of the copy paintings ? I think all the contries have copy-things

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AKeleon   5/15/2013 5:58:43 PM
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What a real reason that countries such as China and India need to have produce that much of population. I heard its reason is because of war especially for China wheres they need to sustain enough manpower for soldiers to combet foreign invasion. But how about India what are thier reason. And if combine the mainland and outside diasporas this two races is the largest. Even sometimes I thinking like this two races is like the choosen race in earth (I know its not true, just a naughty thoughts). Anyway, what actually is the real reason behind it. If USA which land as big as China having just 316 M population which I speculate able to produce a number like China but not to do so, why is China? Not to say they can't have large population but for what reason? Thanks.

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re: Slideshow: How knockoff nation mastered ecosystem
chipmonk0   5/15/2013 4:10:50 PM
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Dear Junko : of all your articles on Electronics in the Far East I enjoyed this one on mass produced copies of western art the most. It captures both China's drive to export as well as brazen violation of international norms because we are always looking for a bargain. But you have been very balanced and even mentioned how Japan, your own native country, went through the same phase after WW II. What you have diplomatically omitted to mention is that while it took Japan at most 3 decades to reach parity with the US ( by export ) and then become more self - sustained in terms of technology etc., it would take China perhaps 200 years to reach that stage ( their population being at least 6x of Japan and 3x of the US and current per capita by PPP still 1/5 th ). One wonders how much more misery will be brought on the World economy, resources & environment ( killing rhinos and tigers for their horns & parts instead of just buying Viagra ) by China's irresponsible urge to catch up after 5 centuries of mostly self - created stagnation.

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AKeleon   5/15/2013 1:23:41 PM
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Why admin not removed the post from unethical poster that containe insult, harsh word, and so on from this tread like they do at one poster from the other article (about Japan semi.). This is family site right. Thanks.

shinever
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shinever   5/15/2013 9:39:51 AM
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can't agree more!

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Clement Wong   5/15/2013 8:35:39 AM
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Nice debate going on, I honestly don't feel bad at all for such things, and I'm even a bit proud of it actually. Arts are long gone from modern world, I'm glad to see great arts 5km from where I lived. I of course vote for paying Van Gogh something for copyright if he is still around, but for sure not to the ones who bought their paintings and locked in their safe for centuries. 1) I don't think artists sell copyrights along with paintings if you really know what copyright is, 2) copyright has about 100 years of valid time, 3) most artists will be happy that someone do marketing for them, and more people will want to see the original after they see the "knockoff", 4) these arts are everywhere on the internet, on thousands of computers's wallpaper, I don't see people writing articles about it, 5) I wonder how this author feels about taking pictures in others private properties secretly, 6) .... I can give hundreds of things but what I sometimes feel like, is some people loves to slander others and put themselves on an upper position on (morality?)

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jagmohan   5/15/2013 7:10:26 AM
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My Comments - (Part 2) I do respect the Intellectual Property and hence buy music, paintings and literary work. But please note that - there is a big difference between art forms such as the music, dance, books and painting/sculpture. Painting, sculpting, carving seem to be the only art forms that need material - paint, brush, canvass, stone, tools etc apart from the creative mind of the artist. The other art forms are blessed by technology and hence can be recorded and can be rendered through suitable media. Therefore painting, sculptures are the only art forms for which one has to travel to the place where originals are kept. Those who really enjoy art and are priviledged to travel without too many hurdles really do so for the original paintings/sculptures, no doubt, are great pieces of art created by perhaps greatest creative minds that existed on this planet. However for a person like me, though I like to buy the art, buying the original paintings/sculptures is way beyond my capacity. Also I am not a painter/sculptor who can make an exact replica for personal consumption. Printed/photographed copy is an option but then you don't have a "painting" made with real colors and brushes done with someone's hand on a canvass. In that case, if some artist really can make a replica as good as original with paint and brush and sells it as a replica - it will be my honor to buy that replica (if affordable to me) from such an gifted artist. From my point of view - making an exact replica as original is an art in itself and not an easy one. The problem with Music piracy is different. There is no other artist than the original involved and only machines are involved in making copies of the original art. Here also - if some artist can render the music of original artist - listening to this replica in live will be more enchanting than the rendetion on a machine.

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re: Slideshow: How knockoff nation mastered ecosystem
jagmohan   5/15/2013 7:09:30 AM
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My Comments - Part 1. I still do not get the purpose of this article. Does the author have objection to something that happens in Da Fen? Second thing is - what is this article doing in EE Times? Is it that news and information about electrical and electronics falling short to fill in the columns? I saw absolutely no relevance of this article here in EE Times. With apologies to the author, I may dare to say that perhaps the main focus of this article is about similar meaning words - piracy (of intellectual property) Vs replica making. Technically, one can easily make a distinction betwen these two phrases. However, let me give a perspective from an art lover point of view below. Before I go there, I saw one comment someone made on a certain nation's tradition about making piracy. My comment on that - As far as Piracy is concerned - especially in historical perspective and in the context of Western Vs Eastern, please go back in time some 200-300 years, one will find enough examples to feel bad about piracy and one can even find that some great nations of today formed some companies in the name of doing business but were given the charter to do piracy by the respective kings and queens of those nation. If one really wants to go this historical way - it is an unending debate. So let's not even bother about branding someone based on history/race.

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Scott SG.   5/15/2013 6:29:23 AM
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I've always found the commentary for EE Times articles to be insightful and informative, many times even more so than the articles themselves. What I've never found is the personal attacks and childish name calling that you see routinely reading comments on almost any other site on the internet. To see it here is disappointing.

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chrisnfolsom   5/15/2013 5:18:29 AM
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Ditto again (need a "like" button). We have the saying that "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery". China has much bigger issues to be defensive about than something you really can't even deny like copy cat paintings - what about the duped Apple stores and products... Why litter these boards with this crap - If you are government sponsored tell your bosses to go to hell and worry about real threats, otherwise spend you time copying our ideals of free speech - we (the western world) criticize ourselves more than you ever can so why waste our time here?

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