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Robotics Developer
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re: Hollywood, Silicon Valley quarrel over digital media
Robotics Developer   6/20/2013 1:48:28 PM
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While I do not condone stealing, I do recognise that it may require studios to rethink their approach and adapt to the new world order. If I as a user can find content on-line at a low cost and with great service I would think that many would be willing to pay to play. Currently with the battle between studios, downloaders, and websites it just encourages the many to get what they can for free while it lasts. How about people work together (aka studios, websites, providers, etc.) and find a reasonable solution?

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re: Hollywood, Silicon Valley quarrel over digital media
anon9303122   6/20/2013 3:57:48 PM
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With Hollywood's obsession with digital rights and squeezing every last nickel out of the consumer, I've become turned off by the whole business. Maybe I'm just becoming an old crank. I'm not finding much interest in anything coming out of Hollywood. I think with all the rush to make stunning, flashy, whiz-bang effects, and all that jazz, they have forgotten how to make GOOD movies. Good movies start with a GOOD story. I know there are good movies out there, but the studios never seem to be interested in them, instead obsessing over the latest summer "block-buster". As for whether the studios or Silicon Valley get their way, I could offer a very familiar quote from "Gone With the Wind".

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BrainiacV   6/20/2013 6:01:14 PM
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As a person that used to work in a movie theater, I think the studios pine for the days when they had absolute control of when, where, and how much to charge for each viewing of their products. The Betamax had them freaking out because they lost that ability and made the price of tapes astronomical in hopes of killing the market. Early films were priced at $80 a tape (in the early 70's). Later when I did consulting for early video tape rental shops, they were terrified that Hollywood was going to shut them down at any minute. But I guess the light went on in the accounting department that video rental stores guaranteed sales for all their products and they learned to embrace them. But now they are finding it hard to make money with bits. No doubt they'd like to use streaming to get back to those thrilling days of pay per view. But they have two problems, one, they view all their customers with the suspicion that they will all become pirates and they'll lose control again, and second, we've all hear the horror stories of Hollywood accounting, movies that generate billions of dollars in sales, on paper all lose money. The gravy train is too big and has been going on for so long for them to think in any other terms.

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re: Hollywood, Silicon Valley quarrel over digital media
Duane Benson   6/20/2013 7:42:18 PM
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Stealing is wrong, plain and simple. Stealing digital media is stealing. Trying to force a non-viable business model on consumers that you treat like enemies is something entirely different and rarely gets anyone much further than bankruptcy court. That is reality and companies that accept it and find a viable business model (think iTunes) will thrive. Companies that don't will be treated as the enemies that they have made of their customers and will make a lot of lawyers rich on their way to the dust heap of history. The only thing in question is how much damage they can do on their way down and how long it will take. A bad business model doesn't justify theft, but it does justify bankruptcy.

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re: Hollywood, Silicon Valley quarrel over digital media
BobsView   6/20/2013 8:29:43 PM
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First of all, content makers should be paid for their work. Unfortunately, in the real world, the middle-men take almost all the profit. Screenwriters, who are very much like engineers in that they create the blueprints for the product, are literally living below the poverty line, except for a handful of well-known names. And as more and more movies are pirated, there is less and less money to "trickle" down to the screenwriters because the middle-men (studios) are the money gate-keepers. Conversely, when Hollywood has 100% control over access to movies, it prices them so high it increases the temptation to pirate. And so it goes. The solution would be to price movies on-line at some level that pirating will not be worth the trouble. I'm thinking of something around $1 per movie. (I don't have cable so I have no idea what they actually charge now). If a business model could be generated where people could easily stream a movie for a buck, I believe the total amount of revenue going back to Hollywood would increase dramatically. People generally want to pay for what they use, and if the price were reasonable, no one would bother to resort to pirating. Somehow Hollywood is just not getting the message...

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re: Hollywood, Silicon Valley quarrel over digital media
paul020   6/21/2013 3:25:14 AM
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the other side of the story is when I buy a movie, can I watch it on my phone or tablet or tv or pc? And can I take it with me to watch on the plane or train? Instead, you get a disk that can only play to a hd tv - can you legally copy it to play on your phone/tablet? You shouldn't have to buy a copy for each platform. And should you be able to put a copy on your media server, instead of on a physical DVD? How do you differentiate between a copy on the media server and a copy on 10 other computers off the internet? The other issue is a $20 blue ray in USA is a months salary in many countries, so then what? If they sell the movie there for the equivalent of $1.00, shouldn't you be able to import that copy into the USA? Why should a US consumer pay more because he has more money?

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re: Hollywood, Silicon Valley quarrel over digital media
jaybus0   6/21/2013 12:58:53 PM
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I think Hollywood has an exaggerated view of what their product is worth. They have essentially been evaluating a movie's value based on the estimated number of times a pirated copy was downloaded. But it is free to watch a pirated copy, so naturally anything might be watched. If piracy were suddenly completely eliminated, how many would pay to watch "Scary Movie 5", a movie that was barely profitable. The belief that the number of pirated downloads is proportional to lost profits leads Hollywood to believe "Scary Movie 5" should have made far more money. The number of pirate downloads is a very poor metric. That a person is willing to watch a movie for free is no indication that he will pay to watch it. In fact, I don't see how anything much at all can be inferred from the number of pirate downloads.

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rick merritt   6/21/2013 1:57:58 PM
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Has anyone here tried--or even heard of--Ultraviolet--Hollywood's answer to iTunes?

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Etmax   6/21/2013 2:45:13 PM
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I think the problem is that Hollywood are thieves as big as the pirates that download. If I buy a new release movie I pay up to $25 for a DVD and $32 for a BlueRay even though the manufacturing cost for a DVD is about 12cents and for a BlueRay maybe 15cents. That's theft too. I sit around and wait patiently until they sell for under $10. It might take a few years but it usually occurs once it has appeared on TV. At $10 or less it isn't worth my time to even consider copying or downloading, so it those greedy SOB's would just put them on the market in the first place for $9 there would be virtually no piracy. A good way to achieve that would be to say that exclusive distribution deals are illegal, (aka monopoly) and competition would quickly move things to a level that would prevent piracy.

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cander111   6/21/2013 4:55:26 PM
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From my experience with Hollywood as a technology provider: They are driven by fear and greed, just like any business. Fear- Antitrust paranoia makes it difficult for studios to even talk to one another. Distribution of movies is walled off from production in theory because of this. Greed- Money is made by accountants, not production. Most movies 'loose' money, after the accountants work the book. That is why top actors and directors take a cut of the 'gross'. There is no 'net'. These emotions are difficult to translate into the new digital world. DVD sales, both preorder and foreign rights are now well understood. But, Hollywood doesn't trust Silicon Valley after the DVD copy protection was broken by a Danish teenager. 'Yeh, we trust tech, sure!" is the motto now. Most tech companies would screw up any digital distribution system, except for Apple. iTunes works and people make money. iTV type solution would also work, and everyone would make money. BUT, that would move the center of control to Apple. Money is the most important thing to Hollywood, after Control. Watching what Apple did to the music industry has put Hollywood in a dilemma. If we want Control, we won't make as much Money. If we just want to maximize Money, we give Control to Apple. Tough decisions.

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