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Phononscattering
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New design
Phononscattering   6/30/2013 6:54:15 PM
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Congrats on your new design. Let me be the first to start with the inevitable stone throwing:

-Why is the page header so big? It is already taking up half of my screen on 1900x1200. I bet it must be much worse on 1024x768. This is a lot of space with zero information, not what you expect from a "modern" design.

-Fixed width: Seems to be optimized for 1024 wide screens. This year we are going to see a lot of new IGZO 2560x1600 displays on the market. Are you sure you are going where the technology is going?

-The keyword selection is gigantic and extremely confusing.

 

patrick.mannion
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Re: New design
patrick.mannion   6/30/2013 11:39:11 PM
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I have to agree wtih you, Phononscattering, that header is wayyyy out of proportion to the rest of the page and I'm eager to see adjusted [shrunk] too. All in good time. Lots more to work on as well, as with any new site.

Anything else strike you as odd? Feedback much appreciated.

Thanks!

P

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Re: New design
mcgrathdylan   7/1/2013 10:55:44 AM
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Thanks for your comment, We are pretty happy with the design and the look and feel. We will continue to refine the site as we go. We very much appreciate the feedback.

Jack.L
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Re: New design -- Engineering - Working towards implementing a specification
Jack.L   7/1/2013 1:44:10 PM
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Generally the goal in engineering is to implement a specification, however vague that may be. In this case, that specification was communicated as:

"Our goal was to bring the thoughts and comments of our remarkably insightful EE Times community to the front and center of our home page and in every article."

Have you accomplished this? Certainly where comments are concerned I would say that is a resounding no. Comments are now completey "flat". The ability appears to be lost to tell what is a reply to what short of reading small details. The width of the comments are also very narrow. With dark text on a fairly dark grey background, not ideal for reading.

As has been pointed out, the fixed width is also perhaps suitable to tablets, but most EEs tend to be gadget oriented with high resolution screns.

The overall layout appears cleaner which is good and I think I will be able to find things easier.

Top banner as has been pointed out is huge!

patrick.mannion
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Re: New design
patrick.mannion   7/11/2013 6:34:59 PM
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Hey phononscattering, we've circled back and fixed the homepage such that the header is smaller and you can get to see more of the content on initial page load - regardless of the screen size, but especially in the case of laptops/tablets. Many thanks for the feedback and hope the mod helps. We're definitely happy to have it implemented. Best for now,

P

Bert22306
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Your new design
Bert22306   6/30/2013 7:26:28 PM
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As an example of what I'm going to point out, I entirely missed this article. The only reason I found it was the large reader comment on the new EET home page.

I'm fully aware that most of the time, unexcepted change becomes a nuisance only because people have to get used to the new layout. However there are still reasonable criteria that can and should be applied when making changes. As far as I've been able to notice, in the last two major redesigns of EE Times online, the home page has shown less and less content. I'm okay with just showing "News and Analysis" and "Opinion" on the home page, I suppose, but it's gotten to where there are only a few items showing on each column. Easy way to miss things, unless we are glued to EE Times?

One imporvement I did notice is in clicking "more." In the past, click "more" and you're thrown into some amalgamation of topics with absolutely no correlation to the column you were previously looking at. This appears to have been remedied. I hope.

patrick.mannion
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Re: Your new design
patrick.mannion   6/30/2013 11:35:09 PM
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I'm already finding the site 'sticky, Bert22306. I was alerted to your comment by email here in the middle of the Yucatan Peninsula on the way to Merida! Of course, I have to respond:)

I agree with you that big changes like those made with this launch can actually be a bit of a pain for the community at first; people miss their regular sections. So, we don't take such massive overhaul's such as this lightly, but long-term it's for the better; there is so much more that be accomplished via true interactivity and conversation.

Like I allude to in the article, it's essential to be a part of the discussion, or you don't reap the benefits, or worse yet, you're simply left 'out in the cold' by those who are engaged.

The home page is always interesting: only so much can be shown, so we think it's pretty important to show your comments first, up top. That's really one of the main points of the new site: you, and the community at large, come first.

There are lots of adjustments, tweaks, updates over the next few months, so please keep the feedback coming. All sites are a 'work in progress', particularly when the community asks for what it needs. Thanks Bert22306! P.

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Re: Your new design
EVVJSK   7/1/2013 4:55:31 PM
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Having trouble figuring out how to make a new comment, so I thought I would just reply.

Where is the "EE Life" at now? I went to Home, searched the entire page for "Life", and found 4 references to "lifecycle" but none for Life. As a technical person, I like the technical articles, but one of the things I like best is reading how others are integrating technology (jobs, new tech, tech for kids, etc...) into their lives. Hope there is still room for EE life in the new redesigned EE Times !

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Re: Your new design and EE Life
kfield   7/2/2013 10:32:32 AM
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I am so glad to hear that you are a fan of EE Life and not to worry - we are working feverisly with our developers to get the navigation working correctly again and I will be updating this post once that we fix the bug. Better yet, you're going to see more "EE Life" type-content threaded throughout the EE Times site, as we are aligning blogger-engineers with our technical topics. For example (and it's just one of dozens) Jonny Doin, an hardware/firmware engineer who works for an industrial weighing equipment company, is now blogging under our Industrial Control DesignLine.

R3ct1f13r
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WHY???
R3ct1f13r   7/1/2013 12:32:34 PM
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I don't understand the point of the change if it's going to look worse than before! Where did you put the Design How-To articles?! 

schmitty1
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Re: WHY???
schmitty1   7/2/2013 2:41:25 AM
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Check out http://www.edn.com as that is better for Design How Tos.

mhrackin
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Another thing....
mhrackin   7/1/2013 4:51:44 PM
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I do like the "cleaner, simpler" format/content of the e-mail newsletter.  I would like to add a caution, however: I may be an avid recycler, with a compost heap large enough for my 200 SF vegetable garden, but I can really do without the habit (shared by other publications as well) of sprinkling the DAILY e-mails with links to (relatively speaking) ancient content!  Most days, the links include at most one or two NEW items, with a couple more from the past week or so.  This I can understand; you don't have the resources to put out a full-fledged daily, but links to topical stuff from 18 months ago (or worse) are  a waste of electrons!  It gets worse when the link text doesn't give much info about the story it points to, so I OFTEN click on a link only to quickly realize I'd already read (and remember) this one.

docdivakar
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Re: Welcome to the new EETimes.com!
docdivakar   7/1/2013 5:04:09 PM
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It would be nice to keep the article (under which one comments!) above the text box while commenting. It is a small inconvenience but I can live with it!

Overall, the new design is an excellent improvement over the old one. As many commented above, it is a matter of time before every one is used to it and forget the old one!

MP Divakar

kfield
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Re: Welcome to the new EETimes.com!
kfield   7/2/2013 10:49:37 AM
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@doc Thanks for your feedback. I'm always a little discconcerted when a website or even a bricks and mortar store changes things around and I can't find the things I'm used to. But I agree that once I overecome that initial "Hey where is everything?" I quickly forget about the old design. We think this new design for EE Times is simpler, cleaner, and easier to navigate and we're glad you do too!

David Ashton
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New Look
David Ashton   7/1/2013 6:19:32 PM
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The new site LOOKS nice.....but......

1. If you press the "Comment" button below an article you don't actually get to comment.  You have to click "Post Message" on an existing comment.  Not very intuitive.  Almost as bad as Microsoft's "Start" button when you want to Stop....

2. The comments default to Newest First.  If you want to follow threads you have to click Threaded View.  Newest first may be good for the author to see if there are any new comments, but it can lead to one comment being far from the comment it replies to, and consequently making no sense at all until you click Threaded View.  Can't Threaded View be the default?  Could this be a personal preference setting?  It's driven me scatty on All Programmable which already has it, now it's gonna drive me scatty here....

3. EELife - one of the most popular parts of the site I think - has been relegated to a box way down the page.  Can't we have an EELife tab at the top like we had before?

4. The July Caption Comp was up for a couple of days, now there is no reference to it and no way to get to it?

5. The new Comment format is fine for most things, but with the Caption Comp the comments tend to get lost in the noise, they dont stand out like they used to.  And you have to keep clicking for the next page, you can't just scroll down like you used to.

End of rant...I've tried to be constructive here and give reasons for my dislikes...and I really do like the new look in the main.  The above are the few things that "Spoil the ship for a hap'orth of tar"....could you comment Patrick??

Oh and I'm David Ashton....I seem to have acquired a new alias, I couldn't change it when I tried, will try again now.

 

DrQuine
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New Look: Comments and News
DrQuine   7/1/2013 11:24:57 PM
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The method for making a "Comment" upon a story eludes me.  All I can manage is to "Reply" to a random existing comment. If I click on "Comment" at the top of the story, it seems to take me to "View Comments". If I do select to "reply" (which in email means a one to one communication), I may "post" my comment and it becomes public. It seems like we have too many different words in use here, which don't seem to fit our prior experience. On the "News" front, I did learn the trick. Click on the red "News" button at the top (ignore the dropdown menu) and the chronological listing appears.  That way I'm sure not to miss anything.

David Ashton
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Re: New Look: Comments and News
David Ashton   7/2/2013 12:15:58 AM
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Under each comment is a link "POST MESSAGE" and this will enable you to put in a new comment (rather than a reply to an existing comment).  I'd agree that there is no logic in having to use an existing comment to post a new (and unrelated) comment.  It took me a while to work this out as well - fortunately if you spend any time on All Programmable Planet (which has had this "look" for some time) you get used to it.  Still defies logic though.

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Re: New Look: Comments and News
Robotics Developer   7/2/2013 1:01:01 PM
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DrQuine, I understand your not knowing how to post a new comment to a story!  It took me quite awhile before I "discovered" how to post a new thread.  It seems to me that there could be better naming used say instead of Post Message it would read: Post new thread/comment,  or something like that.  I do like the new look and feel and hope that others do as well..

kfield
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Re: New Look
kfield   7/2/2013 10:44:43 AM
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@David Thank you for your rant. Our developers are following this thread avidly as I am as your feedback on what works, what isn't working, what is working but is not intuitive to users, and anything else you care to weigh in on is incredibly useful. We are pulling together an FAQ for users that we think will answer many of the questions we've been getting, but I will address your comments here as well:

1. Messages. You are correct about how they work. Thanks for explaining it to the community at large.

2. Comments Default. I will check with developers. It's a good idea.

3. EE Life will be back in the top nav bar. We're also threading more EE-Life content throughout the site so you can find, for example, an EE Life blog about the Internet of Things in the Internet of Things DesignLine.

4. I noticed that the rascal of a widget for the cartoon did disappear off the website. Developers are working on getting it back, and once I can see it again I'll address your comments about how the submissions display.

 

David Ashton
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Re: New Look
David Ashton   7/2/2013 6:48:09 PM
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@Karen...Hi Karen and thanks for listening (rare skill these days!) 1. I still feel the "comment" button below the blog shoudl do just that - let you comment (directly)... 3. "3. EE Life will be back in the top nav bar." YAY!!! 4. "4. I noticed that the rascal of a widget..." I think you've been listening to Max too much!! Thanks Karen and I think we all appreciate the amount of work that this has entailed - we do appreciate it! While I ahve your attention, another small problem. Sometimes (as now) the box to write our post is very small - about 4 words x 2 lines. I'll try and find out when it happens (think mainly on replies) and let you know.

David Ashton
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Re: New Look
David Ashton   7/2/2013 6:59:40 PM
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....Continued....And it seems when we get the small box, it loses the formatting - hence my reply above looks like a dog's breakfast! 

I started each topic above on a new line - as I did this line.  This time I clicked reply as well and got a big box to type in.  It's got a mind of its own.....

 

kfield
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Re: New Look
kfield   7/3/2013 10:49:23 AM
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Hi David - I have not experienced a small box when adding a comment or replying to one. Are you sure you're wearing your reading glasses? when that happens? <G> If you care to document it if you happen to know what you did the next time it happens, I can ask our developers to take a look at it.

David Ashton
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Re: New Look
David Ashton   7/3/2013 5:29:28 PM
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@Karen hi....

> Are you sure you're wearing your reading glasses? when that happens? <G>

You're so funny.... :-)

>  If you care to document it

I have done along with some ideas on why it is happening, might help.  I'll email you (I took a screen shot which won't fit here)

Cheers // David

 

 

kfield
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Re: New Look
kfield   7/3/2013 5:32:31 PM
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Just couldn't resist a little good-natured ribbing of one of my favorite engineers!!<G>

David Ashton
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Re: New Look
David Ashton   7/4/2013 6:31:40 AM
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Yopu're just lucky I'm tolerant with senior VPs of my favourite website :-)

sridhar.ps
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New EE Times: Missing the original layout
sridhar.ps   7/1/2013 9:21:48 PM
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The original layout had articles neatly bucketed into 'Business News', 'Technology', 'Design News' and some 'How to' articles. 

The new one is a little too simplistic and actually has less content on some of the above categories. 

Am i the only one feeling this way ?

 

Olaf Barheine
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Really nice, but...
Olaf Barheine   7/2/2013 2:37:18 AM
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...my picture is gone and I can't upload it again. There is always this error message: "There was a problem processing your file. Images must be less than 5 Megabytes". My file is less than 7 kilobytes! Everything else is fine.

Olaf Barheine
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Re: Really nice, but...
Olaf Barheine   7/2/2013 8:35:54 AM
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Okay, now with a picture again. :-)

kfield
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Re: Really nice, but...
kfield   7/2/2013 11:07:40 AM
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@Olaf. Are you all set up now with your profile? Our dev team can help if not.

Olaf Barheine
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Re: Really nice, but...
Olaf Barheine   7/3/2013 2:37:01 AM
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Thank you. Everything is fine. :-)

resistion
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Old thread reply hierarchies deleted
resistion   7/2/2013 11:20:09 AM
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Many previous threads, especially the most commented ones, had reply hierarchies which are now gone in the new format. It destroys the logical contiguity.

David Ashton
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Re: Old thread reply hierarchies deleted
David Ashton   7/2/2013 7:01:57 PM
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@Resistion - click "THREADED VIEW" at the top first.

resistion
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Re: Old thread reply hierarchies deleted
resistion   7/2/2013 10:49:11 PM
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Great, thanks!

kfield
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How to use EE TImes
kfield   7/2/2013 4:32:32 PM
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First, I'm happy to report that the "more" button on the bottom of the EE Life widget now points to all EE Life content. Whew! And also, Martin Rowe has created a useful guide to"How to use EE Times" Please check it out if you need help navigating the site!

David Ashton
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Re: How to use EE TImes
David Ashton   7/2/2013 7:21:14 PM
@Karen... my immediate reaction is that if we need a guide to tell us how to use it, you've got it wrong!  That said, the guide is very good.  However it still does not point out that you need to click "POST MESSAGE" on an existing comment if you are not the first to comment and want to post a new comment rather than a reply to an existing one.  This is possibly the worst thing about the new format, it's one of the most counter-intuitive things I've ever seen.  The nice thing is, you feel an incredible sense of accomplishment once you've worked it out! :-)

Frank Eory
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Re: How to use EE TImes
Frank Eory   7/2/2013 7:44:02 PM
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The format does seem a little odd, unless you had already become acclimated to it on the EDN site.

kfield
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How to use EE TImes
kfield   7/2/2013 4:32:36 PM
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First, I'm happy to report that the "more" button on the bottom of the EE Life widget now points to all EE Life content. Whew! And also, Martin Rowe has created a useful guide to"How to use EE Times" Please check it out if you need help navigating the site!

BorchRich
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Its horrible
BorchRich   7/2/2013 8:38:23 PM
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The "new" look is absolutely horrible. I'm looking for one of my favourites, "Max's Cool Beans", but cannot find his blog anymore.

Also, the page(s) are too clutered and full of irrelevant junk and navigation / searching for something is a pain.

Please make it the way it was - I had a direct link to Clive's blog, but now its gone. Its horrible.

kfield
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Re: Its horrible
kfield   7/3/2013 4:45:03 PM
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Thanks for your post. We are working feverishly to find a way to expose "Max's Cool Beans" content once again. It's great to hear from so many of his fans.

chipmonk0
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New look of EE Times - the return of Spaghetti code
chipmonk0   7/3/2013 2:07:45 PM
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Did you ever hear that one about " if it ain't broke don't fix it " ?

 

Oh sorry, forgot that EE Times, EDN, EBN,.. have all been bought up by some UK based conglomerate.

 

Sort of the the truly evil EMPIRE ( revived by Thatcherite Financial finagles ) STRIKES BACK !! 

Ironic, all this the day before July 4 th

antedeluvian
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More issues
antedeluvian   7/4/2013 9:33:38 AM
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Firstly it irritates me when I get asked to log in after viewing two articles. On MCC, APP etc you only need to log in when you want to post a rsponse.

And then to add insult to injury, I cannot log when I am using Internet Explorer 10. The response has varied over the past few days. Right now it completely ignores any click on "login" or the limit notice. I have to switch to Firefox to read EE Times.

David Ashton
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Re: More issues
David Ashton   7/5/2013 8:43:22 PM
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@antedeluvian....I am on XP and IE8 and have all sorts of issues - the site is just very flaky, sometimes works, sometimes doesn't.  I don't have Firefox but have Google Crome (which I don't otherwise like much), and that makes it much faster and more reliable.

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Re: More issues
burn0050bb   7/9/2013 11:11:38 AM
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Hello,

I'm sorry you've had problems with the site. We have fixed the IE10 login issue, it was due to IE's stricter security settings.

Thanks

Bill

 

David Ashton
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EE Life
David Ashton   7/5/2013 9:04:24 PM
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@Karen...hello again from the EELife fan from hell......

The old EElife had a banner showing the last 10 or so items posted.  Then we went to the last version which had 4.  Now we have none.  Is this progress??  There is
  • still no EELife link at the top
  • still no caption comp link
  • and the EELife box down the home page has not changed in a week

Pleae tell me you're still working on these?? :-)

 

resistion
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Forced login issues
resistion   7/6/2013 8:25:58 PM
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The new posting scheme requires frequent relogin. From my notebook, I have to allow it to remember me, whereas from my phone nothing proceeds after entering my login.

mac_droz
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Super clutter...
mac_droz   7/10/2013 9:33:46 AM
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I'm a EETimes reader for 6 years now. Did not really like the previous version of the site. As for the new layout I'm not totally happy as it seems like there's no way of looking and searching of the old articles / posts (or at least it is done in some cryptic way). I was wondering if you could have all the history shown with dates of original post / articles and sort it the way you want (tables with search options were invented for this). I also find it really hard to come back to the article I was reading say a day before - if it does not appear on the quick tabs it looks like its almost gone (this article was on the tabs fortunately). The whole appearance of the site looks like some version on Amazon (total clutter) - I would much prefer if you guys could have more Google like approach (maybe have a button to switch if somebody likes this cluttered version). I'd love to see a professional forum that you can easily navigate where all the info would be in one table (so you could search by say: date of original post, date of last comment, title, author, design category) with no flying tabs, buttons, sections, thumbnails...

Michael Dunn
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Re: Super clutter...
Michael Dunn   7/10/2013 10:27:29 AM
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You can always bookmark articles by clicking "Save It". The downside being, there's no way to "Unsave" once you're finished.

AFAIK, the search only scans articles. You can search comments separately by navigating to the comments section and finding the Search link (admittedly, a bit convoluted). 

mac_droz
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Re: Super clutter...
mac_droz   7/10/2013 11:00:16 AM
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Thanks Michael,

I'll try to use it next time.

 

Tim R Johnson
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New Look - Opinion
Tim R Johnson   7/13/2013 12:35:05 AM
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I have a few suggestions concerning the opinion column.

Click ALL OPINION and a list comes up.  Each entry has the date and the title listed, but not the author.  The author is very important for an opinion artlcle.  The author should be listed.

Also, you only provide 2 sorting options, recent or most commented.  A qualifier option would be appreciated, that is sort by author.  With sort by author deslected, it would operate the same as now.  Select sort by author and the sort switches to a 2-level sort, sorted first by author, and then within the section for each author by recent or most commented, as selected.  This would make it easy to check up on posts by a favorite author.

resistion
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User rank
resistion   7/21/2013 3:05:37 AM
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What's the point of user rank. Try not to disparage "rookie" comments, I doubt they're from rookies!

betajet
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Re: User rank
betajet   7/21/2013 9:15:57 AM
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It could be worse.  I'm at the "CEO" rank and that makes me think of the bullet-headed CEO in Dilbert.  IMO would be much better to have technical ranks like "guru" and "wizard".



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