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Peter Clarke
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Blowing past Toshiba/SanDisk
Peter Clarke   7/16/2013 9:37:15 AM
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Given that Toshiba/SanDisk's 1Y generation stayed at 19-nm

http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1280886

This looks likes a win for Intel/Micron planar HKMG memory cell structure.

But of course the proof is in the system-level pudding.

 

Does this put clear water between Micron and its competitors?

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Re: Blowing past Toshiba/SanDisk
mcgrathdylan   7/16/2013 1:50:40 PM
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Glen Hawk emphasized the fact that this part is the smallest die size 128Gb NAND available much more than the 16nm process technology. But I agree that given the surprising move by SanDisk/Toshiba to stay at 19nm, Micron's migration down to 16 is impressive and differentiating.

Peter Clarke
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Re: Blowing past Toshiba/SanDisk
Peter Clarke   7/16/2013 2:12:36 PM
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Lets see what Samsung and Hynix can do?

Tom Mariner
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Not that long ago
Tom Mariner   7/16/2013 2:13:44 PM
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Thanks guys for making me feel old! It seems like not that long ago that I was in the Boise Micron plant watching the boats of wafers float overhead and hearing the brags of the engineers that they were "sub micron".

But I am that old -- I can remember us repairing mask or design defects so we could test by "smushing" traces together or apart with a probe needle viewed through an optical microscope.

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Impressive
franzChen   7/16/2013 2:49:09 PM
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It's by QP? How is the die size compared to Samsung's TLC 128Gb NAND?

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Re: Not that long ago
Tom Murphy   7/16/2013 4:45:23 PM
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Tom Mariner:  You're not along, my friend.  I remember those days all too well.  I even remember when we talked about sub-micron as a futuristic goal!

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lowest cost?
resistion   7/16/2013 7:04:36 PM
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With quadruple patterning? Figure they need to approach 10 nm to be more cost-effective.

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Re: lowest cost?
mcgrathdylan   7/16/2013 8:20:24 PM
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@resistion- do you think they had to use quadruple patterning to make this part? I have not had any indication that that is the case. I can look into it.

resistion
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Re: lowest cost?
resistion   7/16/2013 9:33:34 PM
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It's pitch quartering by sidewall spacer processing, not four exposures. SK Hynix showed it as well at IEDM 2011.

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Re: lowest cost?
elctrnx_lyf   7/17/2013 6:30:24 AM
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Hopefully the SSD's will become much cheaper in the future.

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