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Mark in LA
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Re: Indentured servitude
Mark in LA   7/26/2013 8:21:20 AM
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Do you really think a company doing thousands of these uses an attorney for each application? You were likely their one of a very few cases and part of what they did with you was related to a green card and not the H-1B visa. The companies doing thousands are not going to start the green card process until they decide they really care if you stay or not.

 

Maybe some of you are old enpough to remember this but when the H-1B visas were started in the 1990s, there was an article in one of the IEEE publications. Some EE submitted an appplication for a H-1B visa with a salary that was what the minimum wage would be over a year. It was processed and accepted. When the noise became so lousd the government finally responded. They said that they couldn't do anything since the paperwork was in order.

 

Some tightening of the requirements has occurred since then. But anybody who thibnks some government cubicle sloth who's pay is related to how many of these applications gets processed is going to carefully scruituinize these applications to make sure Americans aren't being shafted is delusional.

Luka_J
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Young engineers in a hopeless situation
Luka_J   7/26/2013 2:03:11 AM
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I don't know how the situation in the US is, but a similar thing is happening in the EU. Local engineering graduates are having a hard time getting a job because there are always engineers  from the next less well off country who will work for a minimal worker's wage (even with working experience). Distances are small in Europe and there are no borders.

Government in my country doesn't seem to be conerned as long as the low cost workforce keeps the industry competitive. They don't seem to mind the jobless engineers on wellfare support that the government paid to educate and train (most engineering studies have no tuition fee). How does that make a profit for the country? I only see gain for "big" companies married with politics.  

Meanwhile 30% of my university class emigrated to search for better oppurtunities and repeat the cycle in a better off country.

 

mcgrathdylan
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STEM and the NBA
mcgrathdylan   7/26/2013 1:50:43 AM
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I fear that this report presents yet another piece of antecdotal evidence of an ominous trend: that more and more STEM graduates are going into professional athletics or the entertainment industry. It's Dean Kamen's worst nightmare. :)

maxjoe
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I find it funny
maxjoe   7/26/2013 1:34:46 AM
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I find it funny when people think

1) I should be able to buy the best quality product at the cheapest price. But dont simply want to give that choice to the companies who make them!!... I want to buy the best smartphone/tablet/whatever at 0/99/?? $ . But I also want these companies to pay me a very good salary to design/develop parts of this. The companies shouldnt be given a choice on who they hire to develop these products.

2) I /my company should be able to develop/sell products to rest of the world and make every penny out of them. Be it Intel CPU/Apple Computers /MSWindows /Boeing Aircraft/Meat products/Google Search/whatever. But the rest of the world shouldn't be let to make any penny out of me. Atleast not from developing these products, which I intend to sell them.

when people finally wake up and switch on their brains, they might feel it surprising that globalisation has caught on, and the world is a free place for everyone(including corporates) to choose. And by the same token, that companies, local and foreign, are forced to compete on features and price with each other (like Apple and Samsung), some times STEM graduates will have to compete on salary and productivity even if its not very enjoyable.

 

 

 

mcgrathdylan
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Re: Better Jobs? Where?
mcgrathdylan   7/26/2013 1:33:42 AM
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I agree that there are many jobs in finance that pay better than engineering jobs. But is Wall Street hiring a bunch of engineers? It seems like some different training would be required in most cases.

alex_shurygin
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Re: Indentured servitude
alex_shurygin   7/26/2013 1:28:23 AM
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@Mark: they do in fact hire immigration attorneys. I worked with one for many hours on my paperwork, first for visa application and then for GC. I am sure it was not cheap.

Mark in LA
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Re: Indentured servitude
Mark in LA   7/26/2013 12:56:13 AM
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In addition, what they tell the employee that their cost is is likely a lie to keep the employee afraid. Just like limited partnership real estate scammers, the general partner can produce "receipts" for anything he wants to show the limited partners that there are no profits to split up, the "maintainance" costs (his maintainance company) has eaten up all the profits..

 

Do you really think the government that does not want to catch or deport illegal aliens, even if they are criminals is really going to go through these applications with a fine toothed comb to find misrepresentations? What will they do, the same as when they catch a whole company full of illegals, demand a big fine for the media and settle with the company on the sly for 10 cents on the dollar.

Mark in LA
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Re: Indentured servitude
Mark in LA   7/26/2013 12:48:34 AM
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You don't know so just pull some number out of the air? The companies that hire them have HR staff who know how to do the paperwork. It isn't like they need to hire an immigration lawyer. They just have to fill out some forms and pay some small fees.

betajet
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Re: Indentured servitude
betajet   7/26/2013 12:42:51 AM
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What I meant was "10s of Ks", I think something more like 30K-40K but I'm not sure because it was back in the mid 90's.  It was certainly a lot of money to the engineer who would have had to pay it.

MClayton0
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Re: US engineering grads are too risky to hire
MClayton0   7/26/2013 12:36:39 AM
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Some high school systems are great in getting the STEM kids to also take special trade skill classes and team problem solving, as well as the basics.  There are cities making progress at supporting local startups with skills they need.  Its a mixed bag, but the educational experiment is continuing in some cities.   The social media is picking up on that, so there will be pressure in cities that are lagging....globally.

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