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Frank Eory
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Re: Better Jobs? Where?
Frank Eory   7/26/2013 6:47:41 PM
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MClayton0 wrote "Technical companies will not hire the "STEM" students in lower half of their class it seems, thus the 50 percent number?"

I wonder what the GPA distribution is for STEM graduates across the U.S. Whether or not this 50% statistic is valid (50% not getting STEM jobs), I think your point is valid and I suspect there is a strong correlation between GPA and probability of STEM employment for a new graduate. In a tight job market, how many companies will hire a new engineering grad who was a B & C student, when there are so many new engineering grads who were A & B students? Even worse, for those who end up taking a job in another field, the more time that passes since college graduation, the less likely it is that they will ever work in a STEM field, despite having a STEM degree.

JeffL_2
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You people must have a screw loose...
JeffL_2   7/26/2013 5:53:43 PM
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So to hear you folks talk I could go online tomorrow and create a website called "The American Foundation for Employment Statistics" and go to the top 100 technical companies, stick my hand out and say "I'll put numbers on this website that reflect any conclusion about employment that YOU want my viewers to have if you grease my palm with enough cash" then I turn around and put up something like "according to my official figures there's 3 million STEM jobs going unfilled", then I get to laugh all the way to the bank AND YOU LOSERS WOULD BUY IT!? (It's actually WORSE than that because we're mostly talking about outfits that already have the website, they're really just "talking their book".)

I think we've found a major source of the problem here - it's manifested in a lack of critical thinking skills...

whatsoever
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Re: Why aren't our STEM graduates hired?
whatsoever   7/26/2013 5:16:25 PM
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You got it.  When I worked in engineering, my company had probably about 50% of its engineers on H1B visas.  They paid considerably lower than other engineering companies across the board.  There were also a lot of PhDs in management positions, and therefore a lot of PhDs hired for engineering positions, which I think drove everyone else's pay down even further.

realtimeshary
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Re: Where are those grads?
realtimeshary   7/26/2013 4:56:37 PM
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Here's the stats from the NSF database saying US graduates 37000 Comsci bachelors a year and 10000 masters for 600000 openeings

http://www.nsf.gov/statistics/seind12/appendix.htm#c2

 

realtimeshary
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Re: Where are those grads?
realtimeshary   7/26/2013 4:47:38 PM
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Oh btw, if you google at who funds "Economic Policy Institute" cited in the article, 29% of the it's funds come from Trade Unions , not to disparage TUs, many have realized that immigration fuels growth helps them more, but some botch the data.  

realtimeshary
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Re: Where are those grads?
realtimeshary   7/26/2013 4:30:41 PM
Another reader (Alex S) has already posted a link pointing with an opposite conclusion citing the Bureau of Labor Stats , Census Bureau and the rt. wing Brookings. This is more in line with our experience of the ground reality difficulty of hiring STEMs in the market place

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/businessdesk/2013/07/the-immigrant-brain-drain-how.html

 

CC VanDorne
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Re: Lets stop beating around the bush and face the truth squarely
CC VanDorne   7/26/2013 4:21:10 PM
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Chippy,

That's a very "occupyish" suggestion.  I'd rather just work hard, show value then pester my boss until he acquiesces.

CC VanDorne
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Re: Where are those grads?
CC VanDorne   7/26/2013 3:43:07 PM
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You took the words right out of mouth, realtimeshary.  As soon as I saw that name I knew this had to ba agenda oriented.  And that leads to another question: If this is known why not present to us readers a point of view (in this case an employment study) from a contrasting or alternate source/point of view?

Charles.Desassure
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STEM jobs are available...
Charles.Desassure   7/26/2013 2:55:09 PM
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The STEM movement just started a few years ago, these scholars are either currently enroll in a college high-tech program or getting ready to attend college.  But the US future is bright.  As an educator, I had the honor of working with 30 high school students within a two week STEM program in Texas this summer.  I was more than impressed.  These students attended class, were well behaved, and had a notebook and a pencil ready to take notes.  I don't know anything about these different studies.  One thing that I do know, STEM jobs are available.   But are today's college graduates willing to travel or relocate?  Are today's college graduates willing to accept a reasonable salary to prove that they are worth a salary increase?  There are a lot of factors to consider when seeking a job.  At the college where I work, we are having a hard time recruiting computer science and engineering faculty to teach.  Why?  The applicants don't have the qualifications.   Companies need people who want to work and are willing to work.  I don't know what questions appeared on the survey, but I would be interested in knowing what steps the students are taking when they apply for these STEM jobs.  Once again, STEM jobs are available.

alzie
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Why Arenít Our STEM Graduates Hired?
alzie   7/26/2013 1:26:29 PM
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Corporate greed and congressional corporate protectionism.

Management and governement simply do not want to fix this,

even though its Well within their capability to do so.

"Money talks, BS walks", pun intended.

Ah, dont get me started!

 

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