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junko.yoshida
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Re: Simple benchmark from the users' perspective
junko.yoshida   8/20/2013 5:35:32 PM
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DMcCunney and MP, I think you are both saying the same thing.

Hardware benchmarks can't cover the UI or OS matters. 

Well, maybe it's high time for some bright marketing people to come up with UI benchmarketing!

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Re: Benchmarks for Whole Phones Needed
docdivakar   8/20/2013 4:35:59 PM
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Looks like the industry loves benchmarking -I didn't know the hangover from Dhrystone & Whetstone would last this long! I find this whole exercise amusing and largely place this on the bright marketing folks to find that 'differentiation' now that the mobile computing space is getting more competitive.

I think one point lost in this 'system-level' benchmarking is the definition of the 'system' itself! Smart phones are much more than yesterday's pure computing devices. A phone with the best hardware benchmark can end up losing when it lacks the best operating system the user interacts with.

MP Divakar

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Re: System-level benchmarking
DMcCunney   8/20/2013 3:34:40 PM
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Ideally, I want something that is effectively open source: I want to be able to reproduce the test environment, run the same tests on the same gear, and get the same test results as the people posting thier benchmarks.  If I don't, something is off somewhere.

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Re: System-level benchmarking
DMcCunney   8/20/2013 3:30:56 PM
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And you wind up with a paraphrase of the line about opinions: "Standards are like assholes.  Everybody has one."  With the corollary "incompatible with everyone else's..."

junko.yoshida
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Re: System-level benchmarking
junko.yoshida   8/20/2013 3:26:25 PM
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DMcCunney, I agree. As long as BDTI makes its benchmarking methodology transparent, smart people in the industry should be able to spot if there are any anomaly, convenient omissions or modifications done to the testing itself.

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Re: System-level benchmarking
Max The Magnificent   8/20/2013 1:55:12 PM
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@DMcCunney: It reminds me of the comment "The nice thing about standards is there's so many of them!"

Another good one is "Standards are great .... everyone should have one!" :-)

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Re: Simple benchmark from the users' perspective
DMcCunney   8/20/2013 1:51:01 PM
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I like #2, too.  But the problem is that BDTI is attempting to develop hardware benchmarks, and the number of strokes/touches needed to do something is a UI matter, and will be dependent on the OS, the UI it presents to the user, and the apps the user runs. It will have only an indirect relation to hardware, and a well designed phone might handily beat the competition on that measurement while having the least poswerful hardware.

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Re: System-level benchmarking
DMcCunney   8/20/2013 1:46:17 PM
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Structured in a manner that will emphasize the strengths of their offerings?

It reminds me of the comment "The nice thing about standards is there's so many of them!"

I don't have a problem with BDTI being funded by Qualcomm to do this, as long as they are open about their methodology, what they are measuring, and what conclusions might be drawn from it.  Someone has to pay the costs of developing such a thing,

Once they have something they think works, the next step is to pitch it to the appropriate industry consortium as the standard way you measure what the benchmarks track.  Then you make popcorn and sit back and watch the fun.

 

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Re: Simple benchmark from the users' perspective
junko.yoshida   8/20/2013 10:20:40 AM
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@prabhakar, I like your #2 on the list. How many key strokes (or touch) are necessary to get to the function you need to use is important.

 

prabhakar_deosthali
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Simple benchmark from the users' perspective
prabhakar_deosthali   8/20/2013 9:25:55 AM
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In my opinion, benchmarking of smart phones as far as the end user is concerned should be done on the following criterion

1. The Battery recharge interval

2.  The no of keys/touches required to perform a function

3. How fast the phone boots up

 

This simple criterion will test the processor speed, memory access, UI and power consumption.

 

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