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Time to go too!! Bye all!!

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I'm sorry -- but I have to run also -- hope everyone has a GREAT weekensd -- C U next week -- Max

I need to run too. Good chatting with you all.

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Okay folks...time for me to go to bed. it was very nice chatting with you. Good day, Good evening and Good night!

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@Max, how the heck to you type on the walking desk?

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Garcia - Yes. I think we have too many languages, but I don't see that changing any time soon. And there still isn't a universal language, so there are probably more on the horizon.

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@Aeroengineer: That is quite the office.

I must admit that I like it here :-)

@Max, @Duane: Don't you think that we have too many programming languages?? Quoting Max...

we need to be "bouncing around from language to language with the agility of young, fearless mountain goats".

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Thanks for participating in today's chat. I'm signing off but you are all more than welcome to stay and continue chatting.  See ya next week.

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Max - Yes. I think that's in there too. I think, as you said, the biggest challenge is discovering what's left out or not necessary. It reminds me a bit of learning Javscript. On the surface, it looks quite like C, but there are plenty of differences. The Arduino was easier for me to pick up than Javascript though.

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@Max, that is quite the office.  I think that you need a few more computers in there.  Though when you think about it, I think that I could probably dig up about the same number, though that is not counting the ones that you have at home, so you probably still have me beat.

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@Duane: The Arduino language is based on a language called Processing"

And "Wiring" also, right?

@Duane: Garcia - If you know C or C+ , you can probably pick up the Arduino language in about ten minutes.

The problem for folks who really know C/C is working out the constructs that aren't required or supported :-)

Thanks, Max. I'll check it out.

 
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@Max, Susan: I have heard too that it is very easy to use a Arduino board...I have seen people, having not much of experiences of writing codes for microcontroller (in C or similar) talking about using these boards...what makes it so special? The IDE? Built-in resources in libraries?   

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Thanks Duane!  Anon - I haven't picked up the $8.00 board, but if it uses the Arduino IDE, it should support PWM. Depending on which motor driver chip you are using, you'll need one PWM per motor and on, two or three extra digital I/O lines per motor.

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Garcia - If you know C or C+ , you can probably pick up the Arduino language in about ten minutes.

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@Susan: I want to try a project on one. But I'm a beginner.

Wait till you see my blog later today or tomorrow -- you shoudln;t worry -- you'll love it -- plus you have me and Caleb and Duane and Garcia ... etc. ... to ask questions of...

@Duane: "The Arduino language is based on a language called Processing"

Interesting -- I'll take a look to that!!

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@Sanjib.A: Wonderful!! How many core do you have in your processor? :)

Check out my blog: "Welcome to the Pleasure Dome (My Office)" (http://www.programmableplanet.com/author.asp?section_id=1925&doc_id=265020)

 

I have a tower computer (very good deal secondhand from eBay) with a Dual-Processor Xeon (each with 2 cores) driving three 28" screens *they were on special offer) -- and also a notepad driving a 21" screen ... .and that doesn't count the Desk Treadmill which has another notepad with a 19" screen on it.

Garcia - The Arduino language is based on a language called Processing, which I'm not familiar with. It does use C-like syntax but has some odd structure. The breadth of the driver set is amazing. New sensors and peripherals seem to get drivers written up quite fast.

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I don't know why, but it drives me nuts to see it without the "the" in front of it. It's not a person. It's a product name and a registered Trademark.

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@Duane: "the Arduino language"

I thought this is a C languaje subset with additional high-level function libraries, am I right?

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@Garcia: But of course, Arduino IDE offers an additional abstraction layer that is very handy for newcomers!!


Good point -- personally I thin kthat the way they've implemented the Arduino IDE is very "tasty" :-)

That's what I like about these boards...they inspire people from all walks of life. As a tech editor who started in print -- no EE degree, I'm surprised that I covet these boards. I want to try a project on one. But I'm a beginner.

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Very interesting, Duane. Do the rest of you see these low cost boards morphing into tools you would use in your everyday professional work?

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@All: Question ... a lot of the time you see the term "Arduino" used without an article ... like the book "Learning Electronics with Arduino" ... but sometimes you see folks using an article like "The Arduino" or "An Arduino" ... any idea which is the most correct? I wondered if th elack of "The" and "An" and suchlike was due to the fact that th eoruginators of the Arduino are Italian...

Susan - In a few years, I can see the Arduino language being used as a cross-platform MCU language in a lot of environments.

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@Max: "-- plus I have three computer screens in addition to thsi one all "pinging" me with emails and instant messages"

Wonderful!! How many core do you have in your processor? :)....just kidding :)

 

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@Max: "the Arduino IDE is 100% geared up to the Arduino, so why not stick with that?"

Well, because I'm used to AVR studio -- and I love to work at the bit level with the peripherals  ;-)

But of course, Arduino IDE offers an additional abstraction layer that is very handy for newcomers!!

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@Garcia: There are even artists using arduino kits for building lighting in their set-ups!!


My understanding is that the Arduino was intended for students and for non-engineers like Artists

@Duane: Very interesting. That helps justify why EE Times should cover all these boards.

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Max - Of course you can quote me.

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@Duane: Outside of the hobby and cool gadget markets, I'm not sure many engineers take the Arduino seriously. I see that changing in the not too distant future though. I'm working with a ChipKit Arduino that's powered by a 32 bit PIC with 512K of RAM. Boards in this class could start to change attitudes, especially for engineers in non electronics and non software fields.

Do you mind if I quote you on this in my blog?

@Duane: "Boards in this class could start to change attitudes, especially for engineers in non electronics and non software fields"

There are even artists using arduino kits for building lighting in their set-ups!!

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@Garcia-Lasheras: Thanks for the tip.

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@Garcia: Atmel AVR based design tools are free and very complete too!! -- I'm sure you can use it over the Arduino boards


I haven; tused them, but my understanding is that you are correct -- the Atmel tools can be used to program the Arduino ... on the other hand, the Arduino IDE is 100% geared up to the Arduino, so why not stick with that?

@Max: you have so many email addresses & computers!!

Now tell me that you are in the thread mill and you'll definitely be my hero ;-)

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Susan - Outside of the hobby and cool gadget markets, I'm not sure many engineers take the Arduino seriously. I see that changing in the not too distant future though. I'm working with a ChipKit Arduino that's powered by a 32 bit PIC with 512K of RAM. Boards in this class could start to change attitudes, especially for engineers in non electronics and non software fields.

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@Susan: Atmel AVR based design tools are free and very complete too!! -- I'm sure you can use it over the Arduino boards

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@Garcia: Max: you busy man!!! LOL


You have no idea -- I have a telephone headset on and am involved in a conference call as we speak -- plus I have three computer screens in addition to thsi one all "pinging" me with emails and instant messages and... arrggghhh

Re- Arduino-I have always bucked the trend ;)  I actually want to start looking at FPGA once I master enough of the Cortex M series.  I have a few chips I am playing around with right now.

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Duane,  Do you find professional engineers are using these Arduino at all for development tools because of they are low cost, as Sanjib.A said?

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@Sanjib.A: Thank a lot! That should help me in getting started.

No problem -- if you send me an email at max.maxfield@aol.com (so I have your email address), I'll email you a link to my article when I post it

@Duane: The basic Arduino, in my opinion, is a very good hobby and education tool.

I agree -- I'm very impressed so far...

@Max: Thank a lot! That should help me in getting started. I have heard here from the people talking about Arduino more and more as the development tools, boards are easily available and having low cost.

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@Max: you busy man!!! LOL

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Adam - re arduino

The basic Arduino, in my opinion, is a very good hobby and education tool. I've found it difficult to get more than one or two peripherals going at the same time because of its resource limits.

Some of the newer varients based on 32 bit MCUs, however, are starting to get useable for actual applications.

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@Garcia: ...have you powered up your 3D printer?? -- you received it yesterday, am I right??


Arrgggh -- not yet -- it's still sitting on the box on the floor -- I haven't had a moment free -- if not today then over thsi weekend ...

Though I must admit that I am a fan of communications, DSP, and other routine type libraries

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@Garcia: About the $8 board... must the discrete components be separately bought or are they included in an all-in-one kit?

My impression is that everything comes in the $8 kit ... but I haven't seen it yet (Caleb has dropped one tnto the post to me -- it should arrive on Monday -- so email me on Tuesday to ask me (max.maxfield@ubm.com)

@Max

That little Arduino board is an interesting device, though I am not a big fan of Arduino.  Even as I am stepping into the 32bit world with ARM Cortex M, I find most of the library functions for peripheral initialization not much easier than just initializing the registers themselves.  From what I have heard with Arduino, most people struggle once they start to get outside the standard set of libraries, but perhaps I should reserve my judgement until I have tried it.

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@Max: have you powered up your 3D printer?? -- you received it yesterday, am I right??

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@Sanjin.A: I could not yet tried hands on Arduino. But this is slowly but steadily getting popular among the serious electronics hobbyists, some started use it for small automation projects (e.g. building automation)...

Like I say, I just started playing with the Arduino -- I'm having lot sof fun -- I'll be doing a column about the tools I've found and the books and suchlike later today or on Monday -- keep checking the MCU Designline here on EE Times

About the $8 board... must the discrete components be separately bought or are they included in an all-in-one kit?? -- I read the web page and this was not very clear for me

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@Robin: I'll take a look to that -- and maybe the best solution is buying a couple of different devices ;-)

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@Garcia,
> "I'm an embedded Linux hacker, so I'll fix to this Operating System"

You can install Linux on most such sticks.  They are completely hackable.  Not sure about that particular one though.  It's worth checking.

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@Max: I read here on EETimes about a Chinese startup building a similar USB form factor device, but this sounds more realistic to me!!

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@Max, Susan: I could not yet tried hands on Arduino. But this is slowly but steadily getting popular among the serious electronics hobbyists, some started use it for small automation projects (e.g. building automation)...I am from industrial electronics background @work so mostly work with biggers stuffs. But @home I love to try this out and most of my experience is with Microchip and TI...I did some small home automation stuffs with the TI launchpad...this $8 board is someting I will look forward to collect. 

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@max the Google stick sounds really cool

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Thanks, rfindley. That's quite a name: "#1 Dual Core Smart Mini PC TV Box - with Bluetooth and WiFi - Google Android 4.2 RikomagicUSA - HDMI Streaming Home Media Player - all 4 in 1 - Google TV Dongle & TV Stick - Cortex A9 Rockchip RK3066 1GB DDR3 + 8GB Flash - 1080P Full HD & 3D Movies 30 Days Money Back Guaranty!!!"

 

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@Robin: I'm afraid I'm an embedded Linux hacker, so I'll fix to this Operating System ;-)

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Garcia - It's pretty cool. With two USB, I just plugged in a mini WiFi  adapter and a wireless keyboard/mouse combo. It's inexpensive, but it is slow though.

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Has anyone seen that new Google "stick" -- about the size of a USB memory stick -- that plug sinto th eHDMI port on your TV and allows you to wirelessly display videos from your iPad etc ... like an ApleTV but only $35

 

I think that's a REALLY good idea...

@Garcia,
Here is probably one of the most positively-reviewed Android sticks for set-top use.

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@DrFPGA: BB standard is a bit laggy when decoding 800x480 H.264, but maybe the boost from 720MHz to 1GHz can improve this

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@Duane: "There's a Linux-based OS called XBMC for the Raspberry Pi"

This is one of my main alternatives -- it's a good excuse for buying a PI,as my wife is asking for the set-top-box ;-)

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@G-L: do you need hardware decoding? Maybe a software solution would be OK? Don;t know if they include a reference design for decoding but it's a possibility I guess...

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@Max

I did not realize that, thanks for the heads up, here is the link to my motor controller that I just finalized and am doing very limited production on.

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1906170&page=4

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Garcia - There's a Linux-based OS called XBMC for the Raspberry Pi (it's also available for PC) that essentialy makes it into a set-top box. I've tried it at 1080p. The Pi is really slow in the menus but the TV viewing seems to be fine at 1080p.

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@ kfield- Add-on boards can be an additional cost, but when you can't find a single board with your specific requirements (analog or Wireless for example) a standard base-board with add-on cards is the way to go. It also protects your investment in your main code if you don't need to hop from single board to single board as you change projects...

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@kfield: ...was that directed at me?


Not at all -- it's just that folks were saying "can you use this board to control a motor" and i wanted to make sure everyone know what board we were talking about :-)

@kfield

I have to admit, though, I am an AE, but I do a lot of mechanical design work, and have interests in many areas of engineering outside of my degree

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@DrFPGA: BB Black is fine for 3D graphics, but it lacks of a hardware video decoding unit -- despite the fact you can use the NEON coprocessor for video acceleration

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@Aeroengineer:... here is some of the information

Unfortunately links don't show up in these comments (don't ask why) -- so it's best to put in the entire link and add an underline like http://www.eetimes.com/messages.asp?piddl_msgthreadid=42824&piddl_msgid=266329

@Kfield

I was originally working with Rich Q at MCC.  I had suggested a series of articles that I wish someone on his site might write.  He then turned and offered me the chance to write it.  I was able to get a few posts in before the site was merged into EETimes.  Max graciously offered to take me on, and I have received a very warm welcome.

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@Karen: "Aren't there cases where one would rather just have a tablet with everything, including the display, integrated?"

Freescale sells a tablet family called the Sabre as a reference design kit for its iMX multimedia processors, but they are quite expensive.

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@maxthemagnificent "Just to make sure we're all talking about the same thing" -- was that directed at me?

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@Garcia- Would BeagleBone Black work for you? Is 1920x 1080 non-standard?

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Anon - I haven't picked up the $8.00 board, but if it uses the Arduino IDE, it should support PWM. Depending on which motor driver chip you are using, you'll need one PWM per motor and on, two or three extra digital I/O lines per motor.

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@All -- just to make sure we're all talking about the same thing, here's a link to Caleb's blog "Tiny $8 Dev Board Packs a Punch" (http://www.eetimes.com/author.asp?section_id=36&doc_id=1319397)

I have a very small board that I just design to control small dc motors, here is some of the information on it.

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@Garcia, re: "1920x1080 set top box"

There are a lot of "android mini-pc" sticks out there for <$100, but most of them have at least one down side.  Which one to choose depends on how you plan to use it... e.g. with a "fly mouse / keyboard", etc

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Adam, er Aeroengineer, what chain of events led to you blogging on our site? I love an ME in the mix, as I am one myself!

 

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@Karen: "MIT is hosting the open hardware summit"

And some hours ago the CERN Open Hardware Licence v1.2 has been released!!.

You will find a link to it from the official CERN OHL web page:

http://ohwr.org/cernohl

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Does anyone know how to make this board control small electric motors?  What type of motor/project are you working on?

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@Max: I missed it! :( But great to know that you were here. Though I am based @ Hyderabad, India...~800km away from Bangalore...I am sure we will meet nest time :)

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@Kfield: Howdy everyone!

Howdy right back at you!!!

I was having this conversation with Caleb Kraft, author of the article on the tiny development board, about the fact that there is a trend in these super low cost single board computers, but isn't it a drawback that everything is an add-on? Aren't there cases where one would rather just have a tablet with everything, including the display, integrated?

 

 

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@Anon: Does anyone know how to make this board control small electric motors?

Not yet -- I only just started learning the Arduino -- Caleb probably knows, but he's on a plane at the moment

Thanks Max, I appreciate the plug.  And yes, though my screen name is Aeroengineer, my real name is Adam

 

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@Sanjib.A: India

Whereabouts in India -- I was in Bangalore speaking at the embedded systems conference in 2010

It's a nice day here in Boston, where MIT is hosting the open hardware summit

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@Aeroengineer: I cannot spent too much time, but I figured I would pop in and say hi.

Hi Adam -- everyone, Adam just posted a blog on the Prototyping Designline -- Top 8 Tools For Building a Personal Prototyping Laboratory (http://www.eetimes.com/author.asp?section_id=36&doc_id=1319407)

Hi Aeroengineer, welcome.

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Does anyone know how to make this board control small electric motors?

@Sanjib.A: Good afternoon for Max, Susan others in US :)

Where abouts are you based?

I cannot spent too much time, but I figured I would pop in and say hi.

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@Garcia: About the 8$ board... being able to use a soldering iron is worthy after all ;-)

I take it you are talking about my column "What? Electronics Engineers Who Cannot Solder?" (http://www.eetimes.com/author.asp?section_id=36&doc_id=1319212)

Good afternoon for Max, Susan others in US :)

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I need a quick advice... which under-100$ embedded board should I use to build a set-top-box for an 1900x1080 TV?

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Hi Gracia, Good Evening.

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Hi Susan -- Hi Sanjib.A -- Hi Duane

About the 8$ board... being able to use a soldering iron is worthy after all ;-)

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It's the perfect time for the chat .. just after the work

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Hi Javi (Garcia) -- what time is it in Spain?

Hi Robin -- HAPPY FRIDAY!!!

Hello, Max and Robin ;-)

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Helloooooo .... is anyone there?

The "EE Times Week In Review" is a live online chat about what's been happening in electronics and engineering and what you thought about it all, from hard news to the weird and wonderful.
 
This week's chat will take place on Friday, September 6, 2013, commencing at 10:00 a.m. Pacific Time / 1:00 p.m. Eastern Time.


Although we will be talking about anything and everything of interest, our lead topic will be Caleb Kraft's article: Tiny $8 Dev Board Packs a Punch (http://www.eetimes.com/author.asp?section_id=36&doc_id=1319397)



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