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bennetmei
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Priced too high. Apple underestimates competition
bennetmei   9/11/2013 4:22:09 PM
Look at the flagship phone from Xiaomi. Only RMB 1999 for a gorgeous design, high-spec phone. And high-end phones from other Chinese local competitors, Lenovo, Oppo, Huawei, Meizhu etc. are all in similar price range. And yet Apple insanely priced the supposingly "budget" 5C at RMB 4488.  It is not 2007, or 2011, or even 2012. iphone is not the only decent choice on the market. 

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Re: Priced too high. Apple underestimates competition
bennetmei   9/11/2013 4:28:35 PM
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And Xiaomi just released one budget phone for China Mobile with TD-SCDMA: 4.7 Inch 720p IPS screen, 1.5GHz quadcore. Guess how much?  RMB 799.  I don't see how iphone 5C can compete.

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Re: Priced too high. Apple underestimates competition
junko.yoshida   9/11/2013 5:02:22 PM
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@bennetmei, I couldn't agree with you more.

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Re: Why iPhone 5c matters
pkandel   9/11/2013 5:17:24 PM
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Junko, that is indeed probably the main sticking point, though I would not be surprised if China Mobile also wants a slice of app revenue. Also, it is worth pointing out that the Apple/CM negotiations have been ongoing since at least 2009, with periodical rumors about an impending deal.  

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Re: Why iPhone 5c matters
junko.yoshida   9/11/2013 5:23:57 PM
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@pkandel, yes, I am in full agreement. I am not saying that this won't happen. But I am surprised that they couldn't get the deal done in time. I could easilly imagine the squabble must be in the financial arrangement -- how much for China Mobile to take and how much Apple is willing to go along. 

But are there any other roadblocks standing in the way of the impending deal?

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Re: Priced too high. Apple underestimates competition
rick merritt   9/11/2013 5:56:37 PM
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@bennetmei: Thanks for these excellent comparisions! It seems like Apple is not willing to play in the China market on its terms, it is still trying to create a premium ROW product.

 

Any idea what are the top five selling smartphones in China today?

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Re: Why iPhone 5c matters
rick merritt   9/11/2013 5:59:42 PM
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@Junko: Thanks for weighing in so quickly.

I heard at the ;launch Apple announced a deal to be used on Japan's DoCoMo net but not China Mobile asd of Sept. 10.

As for TD-SCDMA: This was a disappointment, hardly used outside China. China was much more proactoive and savvy with TD-LTE as a global standard used in many other countries so easier to get sislicon and systems support.

If I were Apple I might jump right from 3G to TD-LTE for China so the 5c may be a brigde product.

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Re: Why iPhone 5c matters
junko.yoshida   9/11/2013 6:04:21 PM
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@Rick, China Mobile has made it clear, since the first time when they announced the TD-LTE rollout, new chips that go inside a China Mobile handset supporting TD-LTE must be multi-mode, multi-standards; meaning it has to support everything from 2G, 2.5G, 3G, TD-SCDMA, TD-LTE and any other variants. China Mobile is very ambitious to make the next-gen handset truly global.

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Re: Why iPhone 5c matters
rick merritt   9/11/2013 6:11:02 PM
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@Junko: Understood. Everything has to be backward compatibe with everything that went before in cellualr.

My gut tells me there wasn't enough perceived volume in TD-CDMA for many vendors to jump in, but with TD-LTE I think there will be (and of course those phones will have to have TD-SCDMA, too).

But I haven't heard much about volumes of current and projected users of TD-SCDMA and TD-LTE. It would be interesting to see the forecasts.

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Add India an other to it
_hm   9/11/2013 8:41:43 PM
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This is a price for public. But it will be different for Chinese telecom giant. Also they will offer few more freebies with it.

India is also equally big player, that and other maket will also be important to Apple.

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