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Re: Why Dell does not show up in Server?
goafrit   9/18/2013 11:21:27 AM
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>> Just like Dell has always been Intel's primary platform sales channel, now, Dell can become Intel's primary server and SaaS provider. 

Absolutely, there is that correlation. When Dell struggles, Intel does also. Watch out for a battle for the sole of computing as Intel and Dell go to get people back to PCs and laptops from mobile. Not sure how that will work but since mobile is gone with Apple and Google, they need to find ways to get attention back to their cores

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Re: Broadwell reaction
goafrit   9/18/2013 11:19:45 AM
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>>  Its on point or make it or break it. And I dont think its anywhere near Intel competition anymore.

You are correct - but if you can be doing that for a decade, you deseve commendation. When I was in grad school, I thought they would not survive before I was done. Yet, they are still there.

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Re: Broadwell reaction
goafrit   9/18/2013 11:17:43 AM
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>>  Wheteher their designewrs can make use of those transistors to reignite notebook sales and etc remains to be seen.

Good point - I notice that laptops are more becoming more expensive. I got one cheap AMD laptop in 2007 for $300. Today, it is hard to get anything decent below $400. Is Moore's Law not working for laptops?

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Re: Broadwell reaction
rick merritt   9/17/2013 1:31:47 PM
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I'd love to see some numbers on this sometime. Anyone heard any?

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Re: Broadwell reaction
p_g   9/16/2013 9:11:55 PM
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Agree, cost per transitor is not comming down a lot now and thats the biggest concern in industry. Every node shrink is compensated by the cost to print it.

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Re: Broadwell reaction
rick merritt   9/16/2013 7:06:11 PM
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...and when it comes to naming these nodes (i.e. 14, 15, 16 etc) mostly its about science fiction ;-)

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Re: Broadwell reaction
p_g   9/16/2013 5:10:46 PM
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14nm is mostly about power/performance than cost reduction as of today. Certainly it does bring down the cost but not significant enough to make impact in PC market.

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Re: Broadwell reaction
p_g   9/16/2013 5:07:35 PM
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Existing Vs surviving .... I would say AMD is now just existing but not surviving well. Its on point or make it or break it. And I dont think its anywhere near Intel competition anymore.

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Re: Broadwell reaction
rick merritt   9/16/2013 11:28:31 AM
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@Goafrit: Thanks for the reminder about Dell's machinations.

As for Broadwell, you are right. Krzanich said nothinhg about the impact of the 14nm SoC for notebooks, nor did he say anything about the specifics of Broadwell (I suspect they will save it for IDF14)

The point was they have working 14nm products that will start sampling this year. In that way Intel is a year ahead of any competition. Wheteher their designewrs can make use of those transistors to reignite notebook sales and etc remains to be seen.

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Re: Broadwell reaction
goafrit   9/16/2013 6:48:20 AM
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Intel has been a leader when it comes to building new fabs and processes. They have the cash ad capacity to do that than anyone. The big question I always have howw other companies like AMD etc still exist in a world Intel dominates at least in the laptop and PC era.

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