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wilber_xbox
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Re: No more prod. Fabs in Si Valley ..
wilber_xbox   9/26/2013 9:15:11 AM
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NY state is fast becoming hub for the fab. Probably the local eco-system is becoming conducive and local bureaucracy is gelling with the manufacturing. Anyway good initiatives.

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No more prod. Fabs in Si Valley ..
chipmonk0   9/24/2013 12:09:34 PM
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Fabs require far too much space & water, create chemical wastes etc etc. The climate and terrain of Silicon Valley is way too attractive to allow monster Fabs ( 450 and beyond ? ) in our midst. Not much interest yet for building any Fabs in the Central Valley ( within commuting distance of Si Valley ) either.

NY state has both the urge and the money to lure back mfg. to the once leading state. There is also plenty of space in upstate NY for mega Fabs. But attracting good people to the planned Fabs in back of beyond Mohawk Valley etc., and keeping their Families there would be a challenge. We see that already with the Foundry that opened shop in the hood there - the CTO with just a BS from a once leading IDM that ran itself to the ground ! Mediocrity inevitably begets mediocrity. 

To attract hotshots of Si Valley calibre to the planned Fabs, there would need to be the same level of opportunity for job hopping & getting raises w/o having to move the Family. To attract their family members, NY state itself may have to invest heavily to also improve the educational & cultural environment in the area - even polish up the local wineries in the Finger Lakes region to develop some of the cachet of the Bay Area ! If all else fails provide cheap shuttle flights to NYC for daytrips to do Shopping & take in Shows.

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Re: Following India
chipmonk0   9/24/2013 11:41:58 AM
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@ Peter Clarke

 Well said. At times a dose of reality is sorely needed.

aarunaku
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Re: 450mm FAB
aarunaku   9/24/2013 10:57:41 AM
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It might pop eyes for fabless people (isn't  fabless meant to be fabless?) by the sheer number 45B$. If one compares the networth of the design and software companies of Si valley to NY, there is a huge difference.

Historically, many fabs started in Si valley and Hudson Valley. But eventually CA's Si valley became more suited for designers and corporate HQs for manufacturing companies than running a fab.

What happened to the fabs in CA like Sandisk, Intel, National fabs...etc?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_semiconductor_fabrication_plants

On the other hand, if one sees the fab world, the manufacturing is quite a generic hi-tech operation, which would require more of infrastructure like transport,  water, disposal of chemical waste, power and lastly but not the least safety. Generally they are on the outskirts of main city in US.

The number of hi-tech staff required to manufacture is far less than what it takes to design, market and innovate.

Currently California is overcrowded in Si Valley, cost of running the fab might be staggering.

There is some sense to why manufacturing is happening in Upstate NY, even though NY is a highly taxed state. Labor costs are very small compared to high tech equipment and infrastructure requirements.

 

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Re: Wow
HS_SemiPro   9/24/2013 1:05:43 AM
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Design engineers are not the only people needed for run a FAB.

docdivakar
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Re: Wow
docdivakar   9/23/2013 8:11:35 PM
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Well Rick, you have the real estate part correct, NY wins. But as for REAL talent, I am not so sure! With all due respect to my colleagues in the east, the fabs in Silicon Valley stopped functioning quite a while ago but the number of IC Design companies is still the highest in California. Just take one look at the number of professional events and activities in Silicon Valley, you will get the picture!

NY does not have the same problems as CA does (like illegal immigration, high real estate cost), it can afford to give higher tax breaks to attract more businesses to move. In due course, I expect CA to come up with counter strategies to attract fabs here so I can say I really work in Silicon Valley!

MP Divakar

DrFPGA
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Wet Lands?
DrFPGA   9/23/2013 7:21:41 PM
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Hope these sites will be protected from floods! One bad storm and $45B down the drain (literally!). Anyone have a GPS coordinate for the site?

Peter Clarke
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Re: Following India
Peter Clarke   9/23/2013 10:43:41 AM
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@prabhakar

Meaning no disrespect to India and its government's efforts to create two 300-mm wafer fabs there BUT I think New York has been well ahead of India in terms of both timing and scale.

Globalfoundries's wafer fab is there in upstate New York partly in thanks to the the efforts of state efforts and support of IBM. If any 450mm wafer fabs also land here it will just be a continuation of decade-long, sophisticated and expensive effort to build ecosystem and critical mass.

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prabhakar_deosthali   9/23/2013 8:40:26 AM
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It looks like there is another Silicon Valley in making -  On the East Coast .

Is NY government following the footsteps of Indian Government in terms of setting up of Fabs?

Peter Clarke
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Re: No timeline given
Peter Clarke   9/23/2013 6:30:25 AM
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@resistion

While like India ......state of NY is trying to formulate the plan and then get commercial companies to spend the money...

But by doing some of the early heavy lifting for those companies it should reduce the cost.

 

 

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