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rick merritt
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Quark chip teardown anyone?
rick merritt   10/3/2013 6:13:21 PM
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I believe the faithful attending the event in Rome got free Galileo boards.

Would one of you plesase send it in to a Tech Insights or Chipworks so they can pop the lid of that SoC and tell us more about what's inside?

Or at least put the board through its paces and send us a review.

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Re: Quark chip teardown anyone?
Caleb Kraft   10/4/2013 11:18:37 AM
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I have to wonder how far the drive for more power will go in the land of DIY. At what point does the market dwindle down to a few, then transition over into R&D departments instead? 

Is that even a distinction that will exist in the near future?

 

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power dissipation?
krisi   10/4/2013 12:40:01 PM
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how is Quark comparing against Arm in terms of power dissipation?

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When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail
GeniusEE   10/4/2013 2:30:39 PM
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WAY too much processor and silicon area for DIY.

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Re: When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail
Aeroengineer   10/4/2013 3:28:13 PM
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I would love to have something like this in a QFN package and some nice peripherals.  I have a signal analysis problem that it would be great if I could run a 1024 point FFT at .01ms intervals.  This would give me enough resolution for what I am trying to do as well as make it so that I can reduce the noise in the signal.

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Finally, Intel SoC
przem   10/4/2013 3:38:03 PM
I have been saying that for several years that in order to get into mobile devices Intel has to demonstrate integration. They certainly know both the CPU and chipset/peripheral space, but they  were stuck with the separate product lines. They need to compete with ARM which can offer a complete system like Beaglebone Black with CPU, chipset, rich peripherals/comms/I/O, and RAM + flash memories for $45---which you can just turn on, put on the network and log into a complete in-system  development environment, either via SSH or a web browser.

The time of 8-bit, 4kB program memory systems is over---even for DUI. Even in the super-low-power, 32-bit ARM Cortex M chips are competitive with MSP430s, PICs and AVRs.

 

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Re: When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail
TonyTib   10/4/2013 4:03:58 PM
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You'll never get it in a QFN, because QFN's are limited in number of pins (QFP-208 is the biggest I've seen) and bandwidth.  The fastest QFN processors I know of are:

TI 320C6745 VLIW Floating Point DSP at 456MHz (theoretically 8 instructions per clock cycle, 32/64-bit FP)

ADI Blackfin fixed point DSP (some models are 400MHz QFPs)

Freescale Vybrid VF3 Cortex A5 at 266MHz with 1.5M SRAM

NXP LPC43xx at 204MHz

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Re: Finally, Intel SoC
TonyTib   10/4/2013 4:06:17 PM
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Your point about peripherals is spot on.  Many people (and companies like Microchip) feel that peripherals are more important than the core.  TI's AM335x MPUs have very interesting digital peripherals (PWM, QEP, co-processor, etc).

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Re: When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail
Aeroengineer   10/4/2013 7:43:35 PM
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There is the A13 chip from Allwinner that is a 1GHz that comes in a 176 pin QFN.

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Re: When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail
TonyTib   10/4/2013 8:33:21 PM
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Yup, I forgot about the A13, which is sold in small quantities by Olimex.  I wouldn't be surpised if the packaging impacts the performance.  Also, it's very tablet oriented, not industrial, and I wonder how long it will be in production.

Another point about the Quark: availability and price from Mouser & Digikey will be very important if Intel wants to be serious about embedded again.

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