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WKetel
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Re: Swarms
WKetel   12/1/2013 7:21:25 PM
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@AZ, this is one of those instances where it turns out that fiction had a fairly good guess at future reality. But I hope the rest of that plot remains in the realm of fiction. I could do very well to never need to deal with time-traveling robots of any kind.

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Re: Swarms
AZskibum   11/30/2013 11:38:09 PM
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Thanks for the clarification. Nevertheless, intelligent robots like the Wildcat do evoke concerns about maintaining control -- security concerns -- that are suggestive of a Terminator-like "machines out of control."

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Re: Swarms
WKetel   11/30/2013 6:01:54 PM
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AZ, I was not referencing the terminator movies at all, just the fact that a lot of people simply are not aware of the secondary results of things that may seem like a good idea until they are instituted. Then the additional and secondary effects start happening and suddenly it is a lot like speeding up and passing everybody else on the road, then realizing that they were slowing a bit for a sharp turn. Of course there could be some benefits to some form of connection, but not through the internet, and not using internet protocols. In some cases it is much better to not have everybody on the same bus. In addition there is no benefit to have such systems accessible to the internet, except for some short term convenience. And just like most things done exclusively for short term convenience it would invite a future disaster. That is why you lock your doors.

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Re: Swarms
AZskibum   11/30/2013 8:21:41 AM
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Indeed, providing such powerful machines with connectivity is an invitation for trouble, but at the same time, it seems unthinkable that they would not be able to network either with each other or at least with their human controllers.

"Unfortunately we do have a buch of folks who are unable and unwilling to admit that providing computer controlled stuff with both intellect and self awareness could possibly have any potentially bad results."


That almost sounds like a reference to the Terminator movies, and indeed some of these advanced robots make it seem that not everything in those movies was so far-fetched. We don't need to extend our imaginations all the way to humanoid cyborgs with silicon brains comparable to a human brain -- machines such as successors to the Wildcat, outfitted with weapons and sophisticated AI would be cause enough to have real concerns about network security and hacker-proofing.

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Re: Swarms
KB3001   11/30/2013 4:39:15 AM
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@WKetel, that's the usual argument between security and connectivity. Ultimately connectivity wins, otherwise we would have never had the internet :-)

When I said internet, I did not necessarily mean good old plain TCP/IP. It's got to be secure of course e.g. through bespoke protocols, encryption etc. The functional and cost gains of higher connectivity outweigh the security fears IMO.

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Re: Swarms
WKetel   11/29/2013 9:27:32 PM
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KB3001, Making a robotic anything internet connected is an invitation for hackers to do damage. So really, think about it: an internet connected robot suddenly under the control of somebody who intends to do damage. That is a just plain BAD IDEA. Even much worse with a fast moving high powered robotic animal.

Unfortunately we do have a buch of folks who are unable and unwilling to admit that providing computer controlled stuff with both intellect and self awareness could possibly have any potentially bad results. Just look at the windows operating system to see some of the bad results that come from a program having even a small amount of self awareness.

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Swarms
KB3001   11/28/2013 11:17:00 AM
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Are these beasts internet connected? Also, could they operate in swarms?

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Re: Wildcat and big dog: both impressive.
goafrit   11/28/2013 7:06:27 AM
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Absolutely, but it seems the focus is not yet on the toughness of these robots. They are focusing on the brainpower right now.

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Re: Wildcat and big dog: both impressive.
WKetel   11/9/2013 6:58:54 PM
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You are certainly correct, at least it seems that way, that making robots tough should be easier than making them really smart. But sometimes both are needed, either at different times or sometimes all at the same time. Just like people, they need to be able to handle exceptions, both physical and those requiring a rapid analysis of data. 

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Re: Wildcat and big dog: both impressive.
goafrit   11/9/2013 3:18:56 PM
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Interesting - it alll depends if there are testing ruggedness at this phase. My understanding is that the focus is the brain power of these robots which can be examined from the soccer element. How rugged the robots are may not be that useful. You can make robots tough, that could seem easier, compared to making them intelligient.

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