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To ARMs!
DrFPGA   10/15/2013 11:59:31 AM
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One more indication that ARM has won the architecture war. And it isn't even about the hardware.

ARM is a ho-hum hardware architecture, but it turns out that isn't really important. It's just good enough so that alternatives with an additional 15% or so efficiency just aren't worth the effort of building an entire architecture infrastructure. Process improvements and software inertia are just too big to fight.

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dynamited   10/15/2013 3:08:10 PM
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What are you talking about? ARM has the little wedge on the chart in the article about a design yet to tape out on a vendor (TMSC) that has not demostrated any working logic designs on a 14nm process. You have to put your boots on first before you can win a war.

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DrFPGA   10/15/2013 3:36:38 PM
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Yep- this little wedge is just one battle. The war is much bigger and it seems to me that the war will tilt this battle in the favor of ARM. Battles are always difficult to predict, but I'd put my money on the one winning the arms race...

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Robotics Developer   10/16/2013 8:08:20 PM
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If the 64bit ARM family comes out strong (good offerings x4 x8 etc.) and with higher processing speeds than have been available (2+ GHz) then I can see ARM winning big.  Last I looked (a few months ago and not real hard) there was just not much real powerful silicon in production.  Now we are hearing about all this 64bit multi-core work, well time will tell, but it looks like a great opportunity for ARM!

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p_g   10/15/2013 5:57:39 PM
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Agree that they are not ready with 14FF yet however they have got good traction and everyone is in same boad with ARM share is swinging in positive direction...

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daleste   10/15/2013 7:28:49 PM
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Yes, I expect ARM to grow in this market.  With Freescale focused on ARM instead of PowerPC, ARM will become the next winner.  I don't expect the X86 to grow.

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rick merritt   10/16/2013 4:35:31 AM
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@daleste: Re not expecting Intel to grow: The industry-wide push to SDN is driving a lot of comms apps to x86 servers just as Inte is driving a focus on comms SoCs. I expect them to gain significant ground.

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TarraTarra!   10/19/2013 1:26:25 PM
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The new 64b architecture is comparable to Intel - not ho-hum by any means!

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Won the war?
tb100   10/15/2013 9:59:22 PM
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Nobody ever 'wins the architecture war' or we'd all be using Intel 4004 processors. You can win a battle for a few years, or if you do really well, for a decade.

Certainly ARM has won the battle, in phones and tablets. But the competitors Intel and MIPS are not standing still:

http://www.eetimes.com/author.asp?section_id=36&doc_id=1319799&piddl_msgid=271373#msg_271373

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rick merritt   10/16/2013 4:33:41 AM
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If you count up the design wins, Intel and ARM have won the next big round. Five years out, who knows?

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3 GHz target
rick merritt   10/16/2013 12:41:36 PM
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I did not mention that Bcom believes the core can hit 3 GHz in 16nm FinFET.

Also, two specific areas in which it is working with ARM and others on network virtualization include:

•  An SoC API for a common view of data plane processing functions and consistent data plane programming model for scalable multi-core performance.

•  Optimization of key features in Linux for IO and accelerator virtualization.

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Hughston   10/17/2013 12:17:15 PM
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The reason for these fast processors and multiple cores is because the programmers write bad code.  If they knew how to write good code and architect a system well, then they could use a slower processor and fewer cores.

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TarraTarra!   10/19/2013 1:27:16 PM
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Rick, do you believe they will hit 3GHz? They apparently are having trouble hitting 2GHz on 28nm.

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Another me-too?
TarraTarra!   10/19/2013 1:36:03 PM
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Rick seems to be swooning like a teenager at a Bieber concert.

 

This is a roadmap annoucement - they do not have anything to show other than slides. The production is slated to be late 2015 according to Linley. In reality I don't see it happening anytime before 2016. By then other 64b ARM players will be on their second/third generation in the same technology.

So what is their differentiation? NFV? That is a bunch of baloney - NFV has very little to do with processor silicon and more to do with higher level applications - maybe switch silicon but even that is questionable. Any processor that support virtualization will support NFV.

 



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