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MeasurementBlues
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Re: Unintended acceleration, anyone?
MeasurementBlues   10/16/2013 5:18:51 PM
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Google car, Microsoft car: Both bring a whole new meaning to the word "crash."

kfield
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Re: Unintended acceleration, anyone?
kfield   10/16/2013 5:09:59 PM
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@bert22306  You make some good points here. Runway truck lanes are another example

kfield
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Re: Unintended acceleration, anyone?
kfield   10/16/2013 5:09:47 PM
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@bert22306  You make some good points here. Runway truck lanes are another example

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Self-driving repercussions
KevinCBaxter   10/16/2013 5:00:44 PM
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Self-driving cars are simply the steep portion of a slippery slope, and no one is to blame. I grew up in the era of no seatbelts and my little league team riding to a Dairy Queen after a game in the back of the coach's pickup truck. Fast forward to a few weeks ago when my daughter screamed because I allowed the car to start moving before she had her seatbelt fastened.  

Increasingly insurance companies are giving discounts for allowing the electronic monitoring of our driving habits. And black boxes have now been legislated as required equipment on all new cars.

Once we have a generation of young people who have been brought up in self-driving cars it seems only logical that they will be afraid to drive manually, especially once the cars evolve to truly being safer drivers than people. In 30 or 40 years we will just be like cows, driven around without using our minds or having the nerve to do so.

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Self-driving repercussions
KevinCBaxter   10/16/2013 5:00:35 PM
Self-driving cars are simply the steep portion of a slippery slope, and no one is to blame. I grew up in the era of no seatbelts and my little league team riding to a Dairy Queen after a game in the back of the coach's pickup truck. Fast forward to a few weeks ago when my daughter screamed because I allowed the car to start moving before she had her seatbelt fastened.  

Increasingly insurance companies are giving discounts for allowing the electronic monitoring of our driving habits. And black boxes have now been legislated as required equipment on all new cars.

Once we have a generation of young people who have been brought up in self-driving cars it seems only logical that they will be afraid to drive manually, especially once the cars evolve to truly being safer drivers than people. In 30 or 40 years we will just be like cows, driven around without using our minds or having the nerve to do so.

Caleb Kraft
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Re: Unintended acceleration, anyone?
Caleb Kraft   10/16/2013 4:25:36 PM
absolutely. I've had a throttle stick open on more than one occassion, both due to a stuck cable and a missing throttle spring on my carb!

Bert22306
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Unintended acceleration, anyone?
Bert22306   10/16/2013 4:12:17 PM
Why all the drama about this hypothetical situaion, when we already have seen cases such as unintended acceleration, or failing brakes?

Actually, unintended acceleration of sorts happened to me, many years ago. It was in a car that had a cable-operated hand throttle, which acted on exactly the same throttle lever as the gas pedal. The cable rubbed a little, against the throttle lever, just in front of the firewall. Not having been lubricated, one time it kept the throttle partially open, when I let up on the accelerator.

Big whoop. I pushed down the clutch and shut off the engine, while coasting to the side of the road. Point is, these things have always been a possibility. Let's not get overly dramatic.

Cars have it easier than airplanes. The "fail safe" mode in a car is simply to slow down, move to the road edge or shoulder, and stop. Airplanes should be so lucky.

The other point is, I see no way for truly "autonomous cars" to be able to operate safely WITHOUT the V2I communications. None. So for "driver assisted" cars, the answer is actually very simple. Just like ABS, yaw control, and cruise control, the driver will have to be fully in control.

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Re: I'll take Autonomous over a Texting Teen, or DUI anytime
Sheetal.Pandey   10/16/2013 2:32:53 PM
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Google car is in th news from quite some time. When are they launching and where.

Sheetal.Pandey
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Re: I'll take Autonomous over a Texting Teen, or DUI anytime
Sheetal.Pandey   10/16/2013 2:28:26 PM
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Google car is in th news from quite some time. When are they launching and where.

Susan Rambo
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Why? Because we can
Susan Rambo   10/16/2013 2:20:25 PM
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Interesting discussion and interesting problem, but I'm thinking better mass transit (in the US at least) may be a more cost-effective and safe solution (if we're trying to reduce crowding on roads and people falling asleep at the wheel). There's that 1/2-true urban legend about the US spending millions of dollars to create a pen that writes in space, when the Soviets just used the pencil. I wonder if auto-driving car is analogous.

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