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rick merritt   10/28/2013 11:10:24 AM
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Is Bryzek's vision realistic? If so, what are the next steps?

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Net_chief   10/28/2013 11:49:34 AM
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wilber_xbox   10/28/2013 12:25:41 PM
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Rick, i think that the next logical step should be to sell this vision and get funding. This should not be impossible because the sensor market is growing and there are challenges and opportunities ahead.

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rick merritt   10/28/2013 5:43:47 PM
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@Wilbur: A Berkeley prof suggested one aspect of the vision to sell is that once we get environments instrumneted we can also sell access to them. Of course there are privacy and other issues!

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LarryM99   10/28/2013 6:40:43 PM
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One way to become a leader is to find a parade and run to the front of it. I got some sense of that in this story, especially since the idea of the IoT has been around for quite a while. The roots of it began at least 15 - 20 years ago, but at that time we didn't have the communications infrastructure in place to do it. Now we have that infrastructure and the necessary cheap, powerful computer power to pull it off in a meaningful way. Personally, I see this as a place for IEEE or other standards orgaization to define the protocols and conventions.

Granted, there is a place for a marketing vision of IoT. The advertising blitz from Cisco is a good start for this, and maybe there is a vacuum into which these guys can step, but it seems far-fetched to me.

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rick merritt   10/29/2013 1:37:50 AM
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@Larry: I appreciate your skepticism, but I am seeing enough data points to think there is some there there.

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second layer of automation with wireless pervasive sensing of missing measurements beyond the P&ID
Jonas Berge   11/2/2013 10:44:40 AM
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I personally agree there will be lots more sensors. I agree lots of sensors will be wireless and will need battery or energy harvesting. Most of these sensors are part of larger equipment and will be connected via wired sensor networks which will provide both power and the digital communication bus. For instance, look at the automobile. A car today has dramatically more sensors than only a few years ago, some of them are wireless, but most are wired using multiple onboard communication networks for drive train and breaks, for climate and comforts, and for information and entertainment. Tire pressure monitoring system is a good example of wireless sensors. The process industries also see increased use of digital network communication for sensors and other devices, and dramatic increase in wireless sensors. These are primarily battery powered. Reducing the power consumption of sensors such that they can be powered by super capacitors whenever the vibration or temperature difference which harvesting relies on is not present is key for power harvesting to gain acceptance. Until then, batteries rule.

Learn more here:

http://community.emerson.com/process/emerson-exchange/b/weblog/archive/2013/10/03/why-are-there-missing-measurements.aspx

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rick merritt   11/4/2013 12:03:30 PM
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@Jonas: Yeah, power is a huge stumbling block. Several speakers noted only PV provides useful harvesting today and batteries as we know are improving very slowly.

We may get a trillion sensors but only have enough juice for 100B of them.

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Sanjib.A   10/28/2013 1:48:51 PM
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"...we will live healthier and longer in a less polluted world," - I don'tunderstand clearly how does IoT make a "less polluted" world? Do you?

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Smeeh   10/28/2013 5:25:08 PM
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Sanjib, By measuring and registering environmental parameters at millions of places, our understanding and awareness will increase drastically and as a result we will act more wisely in utilizing our resources.

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Sanjib.A   10/29/2013 12:09:49 PM
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@Smeeh: Thanks for your comments. Yes, I completely agree with you. I was trying to understand it from a different angle.

It could sound funny...but the first thought that occured to me after reading this was: as things would be monitored remotely, no need for the service guys to travel frequently to check whether things were working as intended. Less travel means less pollution... :)...okay...just forget it.

 

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Smeeh   10/29/2013 4:10:06 PM
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About remotely monitoring: an initiative I am involved in, which might interest you. http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/386717175/sodaq-a-lego-like-plug-in-rapid-prototyping-board

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Sanjib.A   10/30/2013 1:27:31 PM
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@smeeth, thank you for sharing the information...I appreciate.

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rick merritt   10/31/2013 12:38:27 AM
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@Smeeh: Interesting project!

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chrisnfolsom   11/13/2013 9:34:56 PM
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@Smeeh - thanks - a nice start.  It would be nice to see some work on some of the commercial solutions out there - I have seen wifi incorporated into "toys" for $30.  It would be nice to see a paper on how that is done - start to finish with a bit of information regarding economies of scale and such.  This is a revolution - actualy two in having sensors (with increased resolution) in general, but multiplied many times that they will be active on a network.  

Big Picture - this will allow us hopefully to cut past some assumptions of humanity although as with almost all science fiction books dictate - many social and political effects and many decisions to be made - something today's politics are illsuited to work with.

Reg Power - there was a recent metamaterial background microwave energy harvesting solutiong from Duke:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2493931/New-device-harvests-electricity-background-radiation-like-Wi-Fi.html

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prabhakar_deosthali   10/29/2013 8:05:53 AM
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An IoT of 3 trillion sensors ! So what?

Instead of counting the sensors , we should look at IoT as solutions. The Solutions will have more visibility for the investors and the solutions will include everything from the sensors, to communication infrastructure, to the hardware and off-course the software and this whole solution will lie somewhere between the Cloud and the sensors.

So in my opinion the Cloud and the Sensors are the two end points of the future connected world  and we need the solutions as the connecting dots to get the investors there.

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MicroGen's energy harvester
MrBoston2004   10/31/2013 2:21:29 PM
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Today, MicroGen's piezo-MEMS vibration energy harvester shown produces 100 to 400 microW/cm^2.  In less than 3 years the micro-scale harvester's power density will increase by a factor of at least 8X.

In high volume (100M to 500M units/year) production the wafer-level packaged harvester is projected to have a cost-point between $0.47 and $0.33 each, respectfully.  MicroGen's piezo-MEMS harvesters are in 200 mm production at X-FAB (www.xfab.com) in Germany.

 

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DrQuine   11/1/2013 10:10:59 PM
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A trillion sensors (140 for each of us on earth) sounds exciting until I think about reliability and service. Today I spent an hour on the phone to customer support to deal with a Comcast cable issue and then an hour on the phone to deal with a Carbonite backup issue.  One proved to be a billing system bug and the other a hard drive space management bug. In contrast, my grandparents never spent time on the phone dealing with technical support. I think that our first priority should be to build consumer goods and systems that have Six Sigma reliability (and then strive for better). The notion that we are going to deploy more buggy unreliable systems is scary (and Halloween is behind us). 

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rick merritt   11/4/2013 12:01:56 PM
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Dr. Quine: Good point re support. Can the Comcasts and AT&Ts of the world scale to handle IoT support? There will be whole new apps areas that don't even have a carrier or integrator, opening up new chalenges and opportunities.

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ASP and volumes
Wobbly   11/4/2013 8:03:13 AM
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Does anyone else find it humorous that slide number 8 is a completely normal supply/demand curve from first semester economics.



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