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and it's about time for me to make the tea, so I might take my leave too

Have a good trip Max

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I suspect we are the only ones left now

 

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What a strange custom....

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This is the third "roving chaplain" we've had in the last couple of years -- I think it's my job to minister to them -- they spend all day visiting with people listening to their problems -- so when they get to me they have a bit of a break to sit back and listen to me waffle on about the cool things tha tare happening in the world of technology :-)

The building in which I have my office pays for a roving pastor to visit with everyone -- and we just got a new one and it wa shis first day and he was sucked into the space-time vortex tha tis my office...

I hope that chaplain was not the bearer of bad news....

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The World Series will end tonight.

At All Bye great chatting to you all

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YEah I should run to bye all 

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I've got to run. Good chatting with everyone.

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It makes a lot of sense,

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@duane ther seems to be a nice sub £20 board from Cyprus may try that one as well

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@David part description is ICE40HX1K-STICK-EVN ICE40-HX1K, ICESTICK, EVAL KIT

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The last few years, all of the MCU companies jumped on the inexpensive development board bandwagon. Now it seems the FPGA companies are too.

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@David : cheap Lattice development FPGA board

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@crusty what is an IceStick?

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I'd love to get to a few of these shows but for now will just aim for DW14 (EELive)

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At Last my IceStick has been shipped from Farnell, more play coming up

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@Duane...well at least you got to the bottom of it eventually.  Ground noise can be a real pig.  Recalls....I once went thru a lot of hoops to fix a washing machine then saw a recall notice for them....fortunately the refunded me for the parts, but not for my labour....

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DeignCon does look interesting, 

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@David, last week of January in Silicon Valley. I will be moderating two panels.

 

@MB That's in January, right?

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@David, for me the candy store is DesignCon.

@MS243 hope that has notihing to do with the fact that she's FORMER

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David - ""guys looking after the cars who know a lot less about electronics than we do....."

I hear that. I once brought a car back to the dealer because of some ground noise in the radio. I explained to the mechanics three or four times, that it was gound noise, and the easiest way to hear it was to turn the radio on with the volume all the way down. Every time they said: "There's no problem. I turned the volume way up and din't hear any noise." About six months later I got a recall notice because of a grounding problem in the radio wiring harness.

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@Rick sounds like you're like a kid in a candy store there...

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rick How many layers and components

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@David -- (My former sister -in -laws friend)

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HP ARM server boards are waaaaay dense designs on the ARM Tech Con show floor
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Back in just a couple more minutes...

Crusty we had great fun sadly until I move to a free country I will not be doing it again

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@MS243.. "Once I helped a hooters waitress " How come that sort of thing never happens to me?? :-)

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Duan I thought that lucky disconnecting the car battery solved it but it shows how a simple blue tooth can cause trouble with cars

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@Duane..that's what worries me...you have guys looking after the cars who know a lot less about electronics than we do.....

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@Adam : Icing Sugar and an oxygen liberating chemical was good in my youth

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Once I helped a hooters waitress who was troubleshooting here car with a can of starter fluid -- in her work outfit -- good way to get burned

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Adam - That sounds expensive.

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David - I'd say I'm a lot better off with new cars. I may be lucky with cars, but I've only had one case of an electronic car stranding me away from home. A crank shart position sensor worked it's way loose. It actaully stranded me twice, but the second time was because the mechanic put the replacemnt on backwards.

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Crusty me to we used to have blowing things up parties 

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Davis, Crusty - I used to use a propane torch to find such leaks. I'd open the valve but not light it. If the engine reved when I had it near something, then there was a vacume leak in that spot.

I suppose people would tell you not to use that technique the days for fear of it being too explody

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My car is very electrnic driven and most of the interfaces locked up until I removed the battery to allow it to reset 

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Duane my Samsung Galaxy S3 more or less broke my Renault Meganne electronics when i paired them 

 

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@Duane and for the most part they seem pretty reliable too (toyota aside :-)  do you think we are better off overall now?

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@Ms243 : agreed lead in the cylinders does not make for a happy engine

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One of my old classmates owns a twin beech with radials -- very nicely restored -- old bootlegger plane

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Measurement - Car electronics are kind of scary. Replacement or repair costs of the electronics are really scarry. But, I do like the fact that I never have to adjust anything and don't have to worry about an occasional failure to start in the morning with my newer cars.

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@David : My Uncle hated to use a cartridge so we put a touch paper in the piston and then two ment turned the flywheel with a very long handle. If it kicked back you were a hospital case.

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MS243 I know but always been dissaponted by that lol

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@MS243 yeah I think it was a radial in that FotP movie

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The cartridges for starting just use a wad

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@Crusty thatnks for that I will do...not unlikely...it's a real bucket of bolts....

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Crusty whatsize shot was in that ;)

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@Crusty "With the Field Marshal you started it with a 12Bore Cartridge" like in the original Flight of the Phoenix movie...they had 5 cartridges and it started on the 5th.. did you see that one?

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@David : Try to look if you have an air leak at the Carb to engine interface

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Ive seen cartridge starters on old planes - usually the radial engine ones

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"not much electronics and ran 40 years"

My 1999 Canry has less software than those in the case. It will probably outlast them all. Actually, my father-in-law's 1996 Camry will outlast my 99. Quality dropped in the those three years.

Mind you I have a lawnmower...those motors are simple enough,,,but mine speed hunts all over the place....not the governor I think...drives me nuts

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With the Field Marshal you started it with a 12Bore Cartridge

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With the John Deere it was basically gap the plugs before the job and lube it and fuel it and that was it

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@MS243 I worked with a guy who collected engines....he even had a submarine engine which apparently was massive...he invited me to come and look but never got there

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MS243 - Of course, there isn't charm in all old machinery. The only charm in my 1972 Chevy Vega was that it looked a bit like a shrunked Camaro. Fortunately it was easy to work on because it needed work often.

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Make that Field Marshal

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not sure if my priorities are right there... :-)

 

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@Adam...Duane...I really hope I can get there...I'm going to make an effort for this where I ahve not made as much to see thw WHO or other bands I like.....

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@MS243 : my favourite old trator was the Fiel Marshal whic was single cylinder diesel . Massive and chugged .

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MS243 - There's a lot of charm in some of that old machinery.

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@MS243 "2 cylinder john deere tractor" I often think there is a lot to be said for the old ways....KISS principle etc

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@david it would be my pleasure  to do so, it is going to be an amazing week 

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David - I hope you can make it over for the conference.

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I have to step out for a minute -- a Chaplain just came into my office -- will explain in a moment ... chat amongst yoiurselves

all this Toyota business has me thinking of My Great Uncles 2 cylinder john deere tractor I would drive for fall harvest -- 2 cylinders, 2 magnetos and a switch to enable them -- spun the flywheel via a crank to start it

not much electronics and ran 40 years

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@Adam  "@ it does I (and max) discovered this gin at Design West last year it is amazing "

Hoping to make it to DW 14 so you can introduce me to it....

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Max - I still have a few suits, but none of them fit anymore. They must shrink when not used.

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Well guys, I have to run ,it has been fun!

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'bye all, gotta run...

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@Duane: ...but I (fortunately) so rarely wear ties anymore...

I no longer have a suit or non-Hawaiian shirt or tie

@Max, good for you. Take a reall week off and don't think about work.

@David it does I (and max) discovered this gin at Design West last year it is amazing 

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max have a great time, 

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@Adam....doesn't all gin have Juniper in it?

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@Adam: Max how long you in sheffield ?

Just a week -- and this will be the first time in years that I wonlt be working while I'm there -- just visiting with my mom and aunts and uncles and cousins and stuff

@Max:

Beetlejuice?

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"I leave on Friday late afternoon -- arrive in Manchester Saturday morning -- my mom and lirrle bro' are picking me up and driving me over to Sheffield -- I cannot wait :-)"

Max, does that mean youre actually taking a day off?

Duane its been a challenge 

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@Tomii: That means Mrs. Crusty is standing over your shoulder, soesn't it?

It's like that horror film ... you mustn't say her name three times

Adam - Congratulations!

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David - Dark red and black abstract. It was "in stlye" for those days, but I (fortunately) so rarely wear ties anymore that I don't know what's in style or considered loud any more.

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i just ordered a bottle of junipero gin to celebrate completing my first month 

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@Max BTW heard from Terry Ashton yesterday, he has a new job at U of Birmingham...doing things with FPGAs for LHC I think

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@Tom-ii : The Lady Crusty is usually more direct than that

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Max how long you in sheffield ?

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@Duane must have been a particularly loud tie :-)

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@Crusty:

That means Mrs. Crusty is standing over your shoulder, soesn't it?

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@David: Max when u off to UK??


I leave on Friday late afternoon -- arrive in Manchester Saturday morning -- my mom and lirrle bro' are picking me up and driving me over to Sheffield -- I cannot wait :-)

@David: At least it's a good way to meet fellow 2001 fans

I was mega-disgruntled to hear that they had a Dr Who convention here in town a coupl eof months ago and I didn't know anything about it (sad face)

@Crusty Max is a worry.....  @Max when u off to UK??

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@David I am now old enough to get away with using "You stupid boy"

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@Crusty: ...but had a lunch out with the good lady...

What does Mrs Crusty have to say about you seeing a good lady?

Many years ago, I was working as an AE at a company developing optical character recognition systems. Part of my job was to test the products. One day I scanned my tie and broke the software. I was ridiculed for quite some time until it was discoverd that dark printing would cause the same thing. Fortunately, it wasn't a criticle system of any sort.

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At least it's a good way to meet fellow 2001 fans

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@max "That phrase "I'm afraid I can;t do that Dave" must have been particularly scary for you"

wish I had a beer for every time I'd had that chucked at me

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measurement Blues, They need to speak to someone who can explain it to them it is the probabilty of success they are interested in not MTBF

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@David 18:30 hours supper time but had a lunch out with the good lady at 13:00 so no washing up tonight

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@Max I think I'll wake up for EE online chat and THEN go back to bed....

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@David: ...like HAL in 2001

That phrase "I'm afraid I can;t do that Dave" must have been particularly scary for you

Hi Max will sit back and see who and what is on line here

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All of the Level A systems I've worked with under DO-254/DO--178B have had multiple back-up systems

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"Mind most people do not understand MTBF"

Lawyers do, if the is anything less than infinite time between failure, a failure can occur. All they have to do is cast doubt in a system's reliability.

Hi Crusty...and what time is it there??

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How is Crusty Mansions -- have you totally recovered from the water leak in the West Wing?

What was scary about Toyota is that there seemed to be absolutely no way to override the computer.,...like HAL in 2001

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@David: ...it is just after 5 am here....

That reminds me of last weekend -- I woke up to hear the dawn chorus, opened the window, threw back the curtains .... climbed in and went to bed LOL

@Duane, there are so many other incidents waiting to happen. It's just that the right conditions have not arisen.

 

Hi All from Crusty Mansion

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Mind most people do not understand MTBF 

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I have a lot of experience with life critical systems (sil4) and satellite design it amazes me what people think they can get away with 

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I wish...getting too old for long nights out.... :-)

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yes, details are being slowly released. I believe the actual research is under lock and key

 

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Hi David -- 5:00am eh? You you are just about to go to bed after a long night out...

The scary thing about the Toyota case is not that it's in Toyota cars, but that similar things are likely in most cars. I've sat in meetings and had heated arguments about such things. Fortunately, I've never had to fight for it with life criticle systams.

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Caleb it is indeed I would have thought these guys now how to design reliable systems but Iam constantly surprised that people who should have no idea. 

maybe there is a market for my book lol

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@Duane, there is a difference between being able to think of concepts and then knowing how to apply the math to them to make sure that they will hold the load.

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The coverage seems incomplete -- there is a review of the Rensas? ECU but none of the DENSO monitor CPU and none of the hardware safety features if any

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@Rick: Intel is building 64bits ARM while trying to get traction in embedded with the Quark SoC -- it's curious!!

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"has anyone followed the toyota case recently it was ery interesting to read "

Brings a whole new meaning to the word "crash."

Seems toyota did not have enough fail safe stuffgoing on

 

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Adam - I've been reading about it. It's a very interesting case.

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bit late I'm aftraid but it is just after 5 am here....

 

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I've been reading about the toyota case. Very concerning.

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Aero. That would be awesome. I often like to think I have mechanical skills, but far too often I find that I really don't

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Intel has made ARM's for a long time

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has anyone followed the toyota case recently it was ery interesting to read 

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Hi Max. I'm here now. We can begin.

 

Seems it is fashionable to be late ;)  Hello Garcia

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G'day all from down under

 

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tomii sadly I missed that one 

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@Max: Not surprising Altera embeds ARM and moves to 64-bit, but funny Intel winds up making it
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Hello Duane.  I am going to take a look at some hand calcs to see if I can get a motor adaptor to work for you.

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@Adam:


I'm still too head-down in trying to learn about FPGAs in general to try and "clea a Zynq," too!


(see what I did there? - I kill me...)

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Hi all!! I'm a bit late too ;-)

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Maxx if you could put me in touch ;)

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Well, the cat got out of the bag early that I am changing jobs, so I have been dealing with the fallout of that all morning.  Not so much fun, but looking forwrad to the new job.

 

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@Max: "64-bit quad core ARM Cortex A-53"

I'm sure they are looking for Software Defined Network, in which 64bits virtualization is a must at the datacenter level.

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@adam: I wonder if they want to send me one and I can write a number of blogs like have done the Zynq

We can ask them -- but it won't be available for some time yet...

Hi aeroengineer -- better late than never :-)

It looks very exciting I wonder if they want to send me one and I can write a number of blogs like have done the Zynq

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Hello all, I hope all are having a wonderful day, sorry I am late!

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What do you think about the Altera announcement that their Stratix 10 SoC FPGAs will boast a 64-bit quad core ARM Cortex A-53?

Max we did trees down all over the place and my fence 

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Next time I come up, I should bring it to let people play. I'm surprised the GDC folks don't have on ein the office though!

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@243: ...feels like an ICEPICK jammed up the nose right now

I'll take your word for that :-)

At first glance I thought you were talking about the iCEstick from Lattice LOL

@Caleb: So jealous of your Oculus Rift!
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@243: Rain due here

Where is "here"?

 

My mom (in England) says they had 100mph winds a couple of days ago

Rain due here -- feels like an ICEPICK jammed up the nose right now

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There is a large selection of demos out there available for the rift to explore the capabilities. I've mainly used it just to play. However, I did try my hand at creating a couple unique worlds of my own.

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@Caleb: ...higher definition version should be out within the next year.

That's the version I want -- and I want it to play with Obduction

@duane, my eyes mainly.

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@Caleb: I have an oculus rift and can tell you it is quite amazing.

You have an Oculus Rift???? You lucky ******* person.... how did you manage that -- I thought they were still pre-production...

@max, higher definition version should be out within the next year. It is pretty amazing as is, but has plenty of room for improvement.

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Caleb - What do you use your Oculus Rift with?

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What else are you seeing out there, Rick?

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I am at arm techCon, in my hotel room.

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If anyone knows any good programme managers and a System Design Authority I am recruiting lol

 

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I did see the obduction. I have an oculus rift and can tell you it is quite amazing.

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I loved Myst and I really loved Riven -- I think this new game will blow them away

Hi Caleb. Are you here at ARM TechCon?

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tom-ii

Hey, somewhere, some time ago, I saw a suite of programming tools for writing controls for Android.  Like for hobbyist stuff, etc.  Anyone know where that iis?

I think what you are talking about is called App Inventor- Try here http://appinventor.mit.edu/

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@Tomii: ...  or maybe just "2?"

That's a bit forward, don't you think? :-)

Freescale shows reference design for wearables based on its Kinetis MCUs on the ARM Tech Con show floor
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@Caleb: Those wheels look nice and HUGE too. 4 inches!

Well, I don't like to boast :-)

@Adam: I bought bank shares when they could not get any lower...... they did

That's the way I do it!!! LOL

But I made money on the sale of the royal mail

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...  or maybe just "2?"

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sorry max never thought to email you, by the way check our email

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Those wheels look nice and HUGE too. 4 inches!

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Max I bought bank shares when they could not get any lower...... they did 

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Hi MS243 (can we call you "243" for short :-)

@Adam: Yes this last weekend

How come no one told me?

Max - I just went and read it. Very nice.

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@Tomii: horribly underworked, and horribly overpaid.

I only have experience of it the other way -- much like my business savy in which I buy high and sell low (sad face)

Yes this last weekend

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@adam: Max you did get the UK time wrong by an hour

have the clocks gone back over there?

So many toys, so little time.

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Did you see the blog I just posted -- I've selected my robot's wheels and motors

Tomii - I've downloaded the SDK and played with it a bit, but I don't recall seeing what you're talking about. It sounds interesting.

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@Max:


The manner in which I'd like to become accustomed?  You know, horribly underworked, andhorribly overpaid.  To the point that Robin Leach comes knocking on my door..

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Fascinating of course!

 

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Max you did get the UK time wrong by an hour

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Hi Caleb -- how is ARM TechCon?

@Tomii: There you are, Max, late as usual...

I was 5 mins early -- but I can;t compete with folks who get here 1 hour ealry because they can't read a clock :-)

@Tomii: Anyone want to pay me to live in the manner in which I'd like to become accustomed?

And what manner is that?

Max not as sorry as me lol

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Adam - I was at an Octoberfest and discovered half a tooth when I bit into an apple struddle. I was about 50-50 hoping is wasn't my tooth and then hoping it wasn't someone elses.

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@Adam Taylor: I am feeling sorry for myself just had a root canal lol

I was so sorry to hear this

There you are, Max, late as usual...

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I am recruiting a programme manager and Systems Design Authority if you fancy moving to the UK 

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Hey, somewhere, some time ago, I saw a suite of programming tools for writing controls for Android.  Like for hobbyist stuff, etc.  Anyone know where that iis?

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Yeah it is no fun lol hopefully the beer will help 

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Tomii - If you find someone, ask if they'll pay for two people.

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Sorry to hear about the dental work.  Sounds ouchful

 

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Adam - Ouch. I had one of those three weeks ago.

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I'm currently running out of work...  Anyone want to pay me to live in the manner in which I'd like to become accustomed?

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I actually had the time correct, but the compiler optimized it out of my head.

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How are we all, I am feeling sorry for myself just had a root canal lol

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...

 

Apparently I am also incapable of telling the time...

 

d'oh.

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Apparently, I am incapable of correctly interpreting the numbers on a clock - I shall return.

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Standing by to stand by here.

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