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Ah, the clock strikes one must shut down phone for flight bye all
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I'd be willing to have an interview. It might be a bit premature though.

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Martin, Aubrey told us about that design while in process at MCC. Nifty one
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It looked impressive in 3D
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Duane, I'm covering test for EET and EDN now. Your design, being for sensors, covers many facets. Are you up for an interview on the design? I did one with Aubrey recently. Wireless oscilloscope sends data to a tablet

I saw Rick's article. I just haven't read it yet.

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Rick May have, not me
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1:00 here. Hunger is taking over.

Enjoy, Martin. I get coffee and peanuts...
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I meant Rick Merritt (typo)

It's too early for lunch out here, but I'm feeling ready to eat regardless.

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Yes saw that. They got best of show for HW
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I think everyone else went to lunch, which I'm about to do.

 

Was it HP that announced a 64 bit ARM server?

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Thx Martin - on plane now so good for last 10 minutes of chat
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Have a good flight Rich.

Rick, which server news?
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Yes big plane, although I may have exaggerated a little...
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Rick - I'll take a look at it. Even though I see it every day, it never ceases to amaze me how small all of thie stuff is getting.

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Thanks, Rick. Well, I'm signing off now. Nice chatting with you all. Have a good vacation Max, have a good week, everyone.

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Chipworks and iFixit went to Oz to get an iPad Air and tore it down last night. Stuff is on the Web. I just sumarized it in a tighter eet story. Please socialize it

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@Rick, you have an iPad air?

Wow. This is really real time, Rick. I can't wait to see the Chipworks iPad Air teardown.

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Catching up: any observations on the ARM server news at ARM Tech Con?

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OK -- I'm out of here -- see you all on the flip side :-)

Geez, Rich is boarding a plane and I am posting the iPad Air story...talk about live!

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@Dunae: Max - Enjoy your vacation!

Thanks Duane -- I'm sooooo looking forward to it :-)

Row 127? That's a big plane.

Max - I'll pop over and check that out when we're done here.

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@Rich: Good trip max. Say hi to your mom for me.

Thansk a lot -- you have a god trip also

well, they've called gold and MVP members, I should be next. I'm in row 127J I think

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Duane -- David Ashton posted a question for you to answer on my sensor blog...

Max - Enjoy your vacation!

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Have a good trip Max. say hello to mother if you can get her to put down the iPad.

Max - I bought a pair of supposedly really easy to use Bluetooth modules from Adafruit. They might be a way to easily connect your robot wirelessly.

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Good trip max. Say hi to your mom for me. Not that she knows who the heck I am....

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@Duane, I need to figure out hwoto thet that one as an icon next to a headline.

 

Yep, the boarding queue is forming. I'll be back on in about 10 min. From my iPhone. wifi will get cut off

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OK Chaps and Chapesses -- I'm heading out also -- don't get into any mischief while I'm gone!!!

I think I've been hypnotized by the jitter

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Martin, switch from MCU to SOX

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@Rich: Dont see how you can march to that beat, max.

You have to do a lot of warming up exercises first

 

Impressive Martin. Not very cute, but impressive nonetheless

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Oh no, youre the MCU guy. What will I do now?

 

Ah, they're calling pre-boarding. I soon may need to drop off gird for a few minutes.

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Feast your eyes on this one.

@Rich: @Max, I guess the answer to my question about seeing all 15 pages of the emoticons is "yes."

Don't waste your time on pages 10 and 11

 

Dont see how you can march to that beat, max. Cavort, maybe...

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@martin: It takes so little to keep Max amused. Agreed?

 Well, I can't argue with that -- I'm a man who marches to a different drum beat

 

If I get the chance when in the Bay area, I'll try to schedule a visit. Thanks for the tip, Martin

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Max always remain your charming self. You help me keep smiling at work, which is not always easy.

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I think I'm too ADD. I looked at the emoticons, tried to use them incorrectly, got bored, forgot about them and moved on in my head.

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@Rich, the Verizon facility is for devices that use Verizon's network for connectivity and that includes IP. They have a test lab where companies can sign up for free testing with Verizon's network. Impressive place.

@martin, I once had a good friend tell me (and only good friends can do this), "Little things content little minds."

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@Max, I guess the answer to my question about seeing all 15 pages of the emoticons is "yes."

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It takes so little to keep Max amused. Agreed?

MB, LTE is not the only route, though. Several cellular versions will support IP to the end. And that network is already there and available.

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IoT: I visited Verizon's east coast design center a few months ago to see some IoT devices. Rick, the other center is in SF. Get in there sometime.

About security and IoT, Green Hills is pushing out their RTOS on phones to run 2 or more Android operating systems so you have the work OS and the personal OS on the same phone. They say it's military-grade. I wonder if the security can be done with a real-time operating system.

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Rick, there was a discussion about security that I attended, and the dSTL was often mentioned as a lightweight security protocol.

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Martin -- this is all your fault -- you have unleashed the beast within me - I cannot stop with these animated icons

IP to the end devices going wireless is waht LTE is about.

@Martin: I suspect in IoT the next big war is between lo power Wifi and BTLE

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Rick, gateways may need to do the heavy lifting of security to protect the small devices that connect to it.

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I think ARM Tech Con didn't do enoigh to lay out where are the areas we need standards and how will we layer in security in IoT. They are open questions.

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Speaking of prcessing power, I've been speaking with people about things like LTE-A, 802.11ac and the MIMO and beamforming technologies that are being used. The processing power needed is mind boggling.

yes, IP to the end device is part of the push, so that multiple devices can connect to multiple apps in a consistent manner.

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Martin: IoT is indeed a hacker's dream--so much exposed surface area. And an EE nightmare. How to lock down something with such a tiny cost/size/power budget.

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Rick, tyere is a lot of push for Java, true. Traditional embedded developers may find themselves in a support role rather than product innovation role for the IoT

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The 6LoWPAN folks see softwsare Internet Protocol standards as almost done. I think ARM is pretty closrely alighned there, but not everyone is in that camp

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The article talked about hackers using baby monitors to send spam.

 

Duane, the processor power is what allows the processing overhead to be tolerable. Some of the thinking is that the kinds of optimizations we have to do for 8-bit are simply an impediment to fast time to market, which is the driver for the IoT it seems.

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@Rich, I read somewhere that IoT will be a hackers dream so many IP address to hack.

@Martin: Very impressive. You'll never find the time.

Ooooh -- harsh words -- now I know I MUST succeed

@RichQ: Yes sounds like ARM and Oracle are aligning and pushing some of their Sensinode and Java techs forward as IoT foundations

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Another IoT note, it seems like security is starting to gain recognition among the development community. They're starting to get the message that it is needed, even for the simplest devices.

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It will be ineteresting to see if such standards add much to the processing overhead. I don't think the "death of 8-bit" issues has come close to being concluded yet, but as more processing overhead gets thrown in, the issue may become moot.

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@Duane: @duane, contact me offline martin.rowe@ubm.com

Duane, don't touch him ... you don't know where he's been! :-)

@Max, I saw what some enginering students were going with those wheels on their senior projects this spring. Very impressive. You'll never find the time.

Yes, the Segars keynote was all about IoT and encouraging colloboration.

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@duane, contact me offline martin.rowe@ubm.com

@Martin: @Max, now what?

Well, at the moment I'm sitting here cackling and rubbing my hands -- did you want more?

There was a loud message at TechCon about the IoT needing to be standards based and as open as possible. There will be a lot of push for this coming from ARM and its partners, it seems.

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Measurement - My plan is to convert everything to I2C. All of the analog sensors will get put on a tiny MCU board. That way I'll have a variety of different sensors all using the same interface. I'll put a bunch of I2C interefaces in the FPGA and talk with all of the sensors simultaneously. That's my plan, anyway. Whetherr I manage to implement it might be another story.

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@Susan: It takes the burden off the main chip.

Did you see my blog on sensors and off-loading the main chip from yesterday?

Trying to get iPad Air teardown story and photos up while I chat <whew!>

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training wheels, max?

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Susan, yes it offloads the main chip, especially for things like calibration and compensation. Just saw a press release on a llibrary of functions for turning a magnetometer reading into a reliable compass. More complex than you might at first think.

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FYI My mega-cool robot wheels have arrived!!! Happy Dance! 

 

 A 4' omni-directional wheel from VexRobotics.com (I've ordered three).

@Duane, you might yry an ADC before going throught to FPGA.

Sensor hub, sensor fusion...it's a big trend now to get the sensor data flowing through one hub/chip, right? It takes the burden off the main chip.

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I still have the ambition to use an FPGA to combine multiple sensors.

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@Susan: Max wrote something about that a few weeks ago I think.

This days it seems like I've written something on almost everything -- it's great when it comes to linking to past articles LOL

max, it was a little more involved. The presentatoin talked about combing information from multiple sensors to overcome the limitations of individual sensors. Tilt to correct magnetic compass. accelerometer to detect when gyro drift is occurring. That kind of thing.

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I would have liked to sit in on the sensor fusion talk. Sounds interesting.

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@Martin: Scar? I have one from a wave solder machine....

Good grief man -- you got that when you were 17 -- 400 years ago -- let it go for goodness sake :-)

Geez. Sorry to hear it. (Did they get it on film?) Ah the sensor fusion. Max wrote something about that a few weeks ago I think.

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@Rich: The term "Sensor Fusion" is hot -- what do you understand it to mean? I take it to mean taking the raw output from multiple sensors and turning it into useful information.

As I said, I went there with an IoT focus and there was little new in that arena for me. The Freescale OneBox I saw at Java One

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Yes, susan. While taking of the EMI shield around teh MCU on the Nest, I sliced my thumb

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Scar? I have one from a wave solder machine. Got it when I was 17 working on a PCB factory.

One that was interesting to me was the sensor fusion talk by Freescale (it was a sponsored session). Funny thing was, the chip they talked about had a Coldfire core

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@Duane: ...I still am not competent enough to use them.

But you are mega-competent when it comes to designing sensor boards -- so that's worth a smile

What! was there live blood letting on stage?

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I think I will carry the scar forever

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Max - I hope you have a nice, relaxing visit.

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The session that stood out the most for me was the thermostat teardown, which also tore down the presenter's thumb. PCBs look good with blood spatter

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Oh Martin. You don't want to put another curse on your team so behave.

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Duane, you have to click the HTML icon first, then paste that into the window that opens

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I cannot WAIT to see my mom

Well, that didn't work out so well. You can apparently rest assured Max, that despite now knowing where to get the emoticons, I stiall am not competent enough to use them.

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So Rich, speak to us. What sessions did you attend and which really stood out?

 

Duane - you have to go into HTML view first

The show floor looked very well attended. I thought the Linaro hacker conference was interesting. All these rooms were set aside for programmers from different companies to go in, hack, and solve some issues in the code that they could all then share.

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<img src="http://www.pic4ever.com/images/292.gif" border="0" >

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Susan, thanks to SF for sending us the WS trophy. We're keeping it.

I think Rich is right. I probably wouldn't be able to tell you the full number, if I knew it. ARM TechCon is a custom show UBM Tech, the parent company of EE Times, puts on with ARM.

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The show guide lists about 80 exhibitors

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@Martin: Max is just a copycat

Sez you!

Duane, not sure of the final count (and its probably a trade secret) but there were several thousand expo passes preregistered for.

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@Duane: Isn't that the virus site that's been causing so much havoc lately?

Well, Martin recommended it ... so you are probably right :-)

Very festive, MeasurementBlues (Martin).

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Susan - Both attendees and vendors. I've always thought of it as a small show, but it sounds like a lot went on therre this year.

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Hey Susan, the emiticons were my idea. Max is just a copycat

Max - "pic4ever.com" Isn't that the virus site that's been causing so much havoc lately?

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Duane, do you mean attendees? I can find out, I think.

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Max, there were 15 pages of those icons. We're not going to see all of them from you are we? Although that Mos Eisly bar icon was pretty cute.

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@Martin: I was just reading one of your deeply insightful columns

How many people attend ARM TechCon?

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Nice emoticon Max. I'm glad to join you, too.

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Rich, being as I'm the test guy (wrote a song about that) werethere any test companies or session about test at the conference?

 

@Martin: Duane, go to...

Blabbermouth! :-)

No standouts for me. I went in with IoT blinders on, though, so may have missed something significant in other apps areas. I did like the Xively Jumpstart kit, tho.

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Max - I print my own points.

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I had a two press briefings and saw the keynote, walked the show floor.

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Hi Susan -- we're so you could join us!

Duane, go to http://www.pic4ever.com/index-2.php you can copy the HTML, then click on the HTML button under the chat fields and paste in the link.

Yes I was briefly. One day. Rich, what impressed you most at the show? Were there any standouts?

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@duane: I don't see where you can add emoticons, much less dancing emoticons.

That's OK -- so long as we know how to do it and you don;t, we get more points!!!

Hi susan. You were at the show, right?

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@martin: those icons we use next to our headlines

You mean on EE Times?

1937 -- the 20-year countdown clock started to the year yours truly graced this planet with his presence

I don't see where you can add emoticons, much less dancing emoticons.

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Small icons for small minds

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I wonder if we can use animated graphics in those icons we use next to our headlines. Max, can you figur that our for us?

 

So who all here was at the show?

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These are sooooo coollllll

1937 - "Of Mice and Men" published?

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You did, but we ignored you.

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1937, Wasn't that the year of "War of the Worlds" or was that 1938?

It was a bright and stormy day.

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@Martin: I will never be able to see your name (or you) without thinking of that cheerleader emoticon

@Martin: Max, you're on vacation, remember?

I'm heading out to the airport after this chat

"huge crowd"

That's why you should keep doing these chats

@Rich: I was tied up

I thought we'd told you and your wife to stop doing that dutring working hours :-)

@Rich: How'd your Wed chat go, Max?

Very sucessflly --  huge crowd -- but I expected nothing less :-)

http://www.pic4ever.com/index-2.php

@Rich: Martin beat you by a fraction of a moment

And I know that he will never let me forget it (his one moment of triumph)

 

OK Martin, where'd you find the emoticons?

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@Max, you're on vacation, remember?

How'd your Wed chat go, Max? I was tied up

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A little tear is rolling down my cheek

Martin beat you by a fraction of a moment

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Hi Small Measurements (thus your being blue)

Show seemed to go well. Lots of content. Kept me busy. Big push for the IoT but that wasnt the only focus. There was also lots of interest in graphics and server designs.

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@RichQ: Darn, I wanted to be first to join thsi chat!!!

 

Greetings from windy Boston, home of yet another championship

My background is test & measurement so this is way out of my league but I'm willing to learn from everyone here.

In the airport returning from TechCon. Made it thru the security gauntlet and at the gate. Flight's at 10:10 so I may have to switch to cell for the last bit of this chat.

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Max has passed the torch to Martin Rowe and me for handling these weekly live chats. (No comment on it taking two of us to fill his shoes, though I will admit they are at least a 13E.) This week's chat will be a bit earlier than usual (9am Pacific time) because I will be returning from ARM TechCon and boarding a plane at 10.

Speaking of ARM TechCon, that is the subject of this week's chat. Lots of activity here in one of the top-tier trade shows in the industry. EETimes will have covered the news announcements, but no one can cover everything. Here's a chance to discuss the show as a whole, put the announcements into perspective, and share what you found on the show floor (or ask those who were there what they saw).

Come join us at 9am Pacific for a live chat wrapping up ARM TechCon!

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