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krisi
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how did that happen?
krisi   11/18/2013 2:09:53 PM
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China overtook USA and maintains the lead...how did that happen while I was sleeping at the wheel? shocking...Kris

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Re: how did that happen?
rick merritt   11/18/2013 2:17:38 PM
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@Kris: FWIW they are doing it mainly thanks to a whole pile of Intel chips.

Of course there are also several ancillary China-designed chips and software, so watch this space! The main processors are next.

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krisi   11/18/2013 2:31:07 PM
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thank you Rick...this is what surpised me teh most (I have not been watching this space for years, I assumed USA is firmly in the lead): China build their supercomputers with US designed chips! the chips might had even been manufactured in USA...Kris

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Caleb Kraft   11/19/2013 3:33:27 PM
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yeah, that is so incredible. I would never have guessed that to be the case.

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Re: how did that happen?
st.z   11/19/2013 4:06:17 PM
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It would be even more incredible if you know what's actually going on there.

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Caleb Kraft   11/19/2013 4:14:21 PM
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care to enlighten us?

st.z
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Re: how did that happen?
st.z   11/19/2013 2:57:08 AM
It's mainly thanks to american business men who want to make some bucks out of communists who want to have something to boast both domestically and internationally. The research papers on super computer published every year are not classified as top secret and are freely available on the internet, and they can copy it without any license fee. And all the core technologies they used are still coming from USA. In my opinion, a super computer is the cheapest and easiest modern national wonder for any country to build. If Iranian ditches their nuclear program and focus on super computer, you probably can see a few Iranian made super computers in the top ten list next couple years.


So far as I know, they don't have any computing tasks that scale to it. A super computer lacks of proper tasks is just one big expensive room heater.

 

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Re: how did that happen?
krisi   11/19/2013 10:53:05 AM
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I understand why US companies are profit driven...but to give the leadersip to China implies that there is no profits in supercomputing...is that true? I would think large problems, say weather prediction, requires supercomputing...Kris

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Re: how did that happen?
st.z   11/19/2013 4:02:46 PM
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Supercomputer is not like iphone that you can sell millions of them every year. You can only sell so many supercomputers to a fixed set of customers every year, therefore any addition to this customer set is very important to the supercomputer manufacturers. As to the usage, internet information filtering and tracking people who said something "politically inappropriate" are one of the major field these computers are deployed in there. Sure, there are other fields, but they are not of any significance. Here is a link to a chinese article published in the official chinese government media talking about the kind of tasks running on their supercomputers are too simple and mostly politically or economically driven by local goverment, and it is a huge waste of resource. DO NOTICE THAT THE INFORMATION IS FROM CHINESE GOVERNMENT MEDIA, NOT FROM SOME WHITE AMERICAN COLD WAR POLITICIAN. If you are interested you can use google translate to read it.

http://scitech.people.com.cn/GB/17497636.html

Here is a little historical background about chinese supercomputer:

Some years ago, american legislator held a disscussion on whether granting china Most Favored Nation status every year, and Intel is one of the biggest companies that lobbied the congress in favor of such policy. At the mean time, chinese built their second supercomputer called Yinhe II, and the goal of building it is very clear at the begining: totally unusable. Its solo purpose is to let americans know that we can build "supercomputer" too, and your blocade on computer technology is useless, come and sell us your IBM super computer!!! As a result, american business men not only build us supercomputers, but also gladly anounce to the chinese people that it's actually you chinese built it. AND AGAIN SUCH INFORMATION IS STILL COMING FROM CHINA, ALL I DO IS JUST TRANSLATING THE INFO.

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Roswell   11/19/2013 6:21:57 PM
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The article you referred was orginally published by the Wall Street Journal Chinese version. Here is the orginal link.

http://www.cn.wsj.com/gb/20120326/tec122907.asp

It is not written by Chinese government media. Please find something convincing instead of hallucination. Thanks.

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st.z   11/19/2013 8:41:17 PM
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Well, if an article from WSJ reappeared itself in the official chinese media is not convincing and hallucination for you, then so be it. There's nothing more to argue with you, my chinese comrade. Good luck on making next big thing, a quantum computer I guess?

 

Here is the link for its originial english version

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303812904577298062429510918

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ubm112211   11/20/2013 7:11:19 PM
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test

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ubm112211   11/20/2013 7:42:43 PM
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just admit it, US 'democracy' isn't the only political system works.

the chinese system has many merits as long as it's blessed with a decent top leader.

the chinese system can handle high speed rail, urban development etc. far more efficiently than US system.

don't trust your own wisdom of 'democracy' is the only best way to handle things.

 

 

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st.z   11/21/2013 1:15:15 AM
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@ubm112211

Nazi Germany handled "things" far better and efficient than all the commie combined. Not to mention that keep a certain group of people in camps work for free till death. Why don't you suggest everyone in the world to "trust" that kind of "wisdom"? On the other hand, since you believe in chinese style, why don't you just move there, instead of living in this "dysfunctioning" democracy?

By the way, the best cost effective way to "handle" your grades in school is actually not studying hard, but copy all the answeres from those who study hard in the exam, and not getting caught. However such strategy fails when everyone does the same thing copying others answer. Suppose American copies chinese political system, does chinese provide something that we american can "copy", for example quantum computer? Just go back where you from, comrade.

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ubm112211   11/21/2013 7:19:47 PM
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china have strict gun control. that's what americans will never have.

what ll happen in US is , someone shoot in your school, you can... protest ...

cry... or dead , a couple of month later repeat again.

 

enjoy it.

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st.z   11/21/2013 7:40:06 PM
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Move your ass to china then, for the sake of your kid. Your kids can enjoy all sorts of poison there with no restriction from the government. But I think your ass is smarter than your brain, that's why your ass is no where near china.

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ubm112211   11/22/2013 12:41:42 AM
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don't get sentimental , pal

I prefer UAE , real free medcare , welfare.

US is like shit comparing with UAE.

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Roswell   11/19/2013 1:00:46 PM
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@st.z

This is the most ridiculous comment I've ever seen on EEtimes, since it reminds me of words from some politicians in cold war. 

 

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Since they have designed this huge capacity computing machine
Kinnar   11/19/2013 2:05:23 PM
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Since they have designed this huge capacity computing machine they will be surely coming up with better usages of it, they are developing a lot in the fields of computing and electronics. 



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