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DrFPGA
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Traditional PC not a Target
DrFPGA   11/19/2013 10:26:39 AM
It seems to me that the traditional PC need not be a target- it is slowly (or maybe not so slowly) just going away. As data creation moves away from the traditional word processing, spreadsheet world to cell phone video and social media posts the 'traditional' PC is just going away. Data and media 'display' devices will be the bulk of the user platforms in the future.

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Re: Traditional PC not a Target
rick merritt   11/19/2013 10:52:15 AM
I disagree. Nothing goes away.

Radio did not kill newspapers and TV did not kill radio.

I have a notebook and a tablet and a smartphone and a TV. I nepxect I nprobably always will though those systems will change and improve over time.

Right now there's big growth in tablets, significant growth in smartphones and notebooks are kind of flatish, but all three are still big markets.

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krisi   11/19/2013 11:07:17 AM
I am with Rick on that one. PC is here to stay! I can't envision doing my engineering work on the tablet. My fingers are too fat and my eye are not sharp enough ;-)...There must be millions of engineers and PC users like me! Not everyone is just Tweeting and posting updated on FB ;-)...Kris

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chanj0   11/19/2013 12:08:28 PM
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I agree with Rick. Tablet and smartphone cause a disruption to PC market. Yet, they are actually 2 different devices for different purposes. For software development, PCB design, word processing, a bigger screen and a keyboard will always help. The current UI of a tablet just doesn't do the job. However, there has been a movement of drawing picture, editing photos on a tablet. Tablet seems to be able to do a better job. So, imo, the existing PC market is split into 2 different markets and the products serve different purposes.

Server market is a total different story. x86 has been dominating the market for a while. Intel has the biggest share. As ARM becomes more powerful, it is eating Intel's pie. I haven't seen a chart of market share; yet, I am pretty sure ARM wil gain some small chunks of market sometimes in the next 2 years. Will it gain a substantial market to threaten the position of Intel? Intel certainly concerns. The recent direction that Intel is taken seems giving us a clue what is in the management's mind.

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Caleb Kraft   11/19/2013 1:22:57 PM
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I think that is a difficult thing to conceptualize. If we look at computers now compared to what they were 20 years ago, you could argue that they aren't even the same thing. The way we use them and the technology inside is so different. In 20 years, will it be equally as different?

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Re: Traditional PC not a Target
Caleb Kraft   11/19/2013 1:24:44 PM
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Just to play devils advocate here, can you envision engineering appliances? Maybe optimized hardware and interfaces specifically for engineering? It doesn't have to be an adaptation of a casual computing device like a tablet. we also don't necessarily need the swiss army knife of a PC that we are currently using.

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DrFPGA   11/19/2013 1:35:15 PM
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Perhaps I should have been clearer on the use of the word 'traditional'. If you do engineering work you will end up on an engineering workstation not a traditional PC. If you do video editing it will be on a video editing computer. I just thik we are heading for a 'break-up' of a monolithic version of a PC (traditional) and headed for a more fragmented market. As a current example, is a 'gamer' PC a traditional PC- I think not.

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help.fulguy   11/19/2013 1:51:28 PM
For once, I totally agree with Rick. 

 

About Jim. What else can you expect from a bitter disgruntled ex-employee like Jim. He has nothing but negative comments about Intel. I dont expect anything else from him anyway. ARM expects nothing more than 10% market share in the server space by 2017. Yes, 2017. Jim makes a big deal about AMD and Nvidia Server. None of these 2 are shipping anything today. At best, AMD will have something in 2015 and Nvidia, God knows when. Jim, you are defnintely living in a La La land.

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Mr_Verification   11/19/2013 2:33:41 PM
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I couldn't envision using a laptop 20 yrs ago to do my eng work.  Now I plug it into my docking station hooked up to a 27" display/keyboard/mouse.  All I would need to switch to a tablet/smart phone is a docking station and the apps.  Would help to have a portable display/keyboard/SSD for trips; seems easy to build and be light-weight.  Got the same problem w/my fingers and eyes.

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Re Engineering Appliances
HankWalker   11/19/2013 4:48:03 PM
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Those of us who are old enough call engineering appliances Applicon and Calma. Large Japanese companies built special-purpose hardware for chip routing. These solutions disappeared for a good reason, and aren't coming back.

 

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